EVE General Discussion

With regards to Suicide ganking, the Loss of Insurance payouts was the tradeoff. Suicide Ganking was cheaper before Crucible, even though people used Thoraxes and Brutixes.

Thorax was the equivalent to the modern Meta Catalyst.
Brutix was the equivalent to the modern T2 Catalyst.

Hmm interesting.

Mission Mining: While you set up your fleet, have your Orca pilot drop a can with crystals using something speedy. Or, given that you have multiple Hulks (or 2 Macks would be better than Orca/Hulk), have each miner be responsible for 3 Ores.
Anoms: Have your Orca drop crystals or have your Hulks grab crystals from the orcs (depending on how corps shake out), or have each Hulk responsible for 3 Ores. There's no reason the Orca has to be far away, since Hulks are designed for you to be paying attention and escaping before the gank lands* (and the gank resistant ship is the Skiff).
Belts: See Anoms.
Ice: (where you currently have to keep your ships separated to avoid smartbombs) doesn't need crystals.

See, everything still works. You just have to very slightly alter your procedure for mission mining.

You can perfectly adapt to each situation with each ship. Tomorrow, you would have to make one change in tactics for (I think there's only 1 or 2 missions that you have to go 3 gates deep to mine, and they're not worth mining anyway) a rare circumstance.

If you can't afford a set of different ships, you probably can't afford to lose your mining ship, so I'd suggest trading it in for a Skiff so that you're less likely to lose it.


*Also, each Smartbomb BS does 320 EM DPS vs a 2 MLU Hulk's 17k EM EHP. Assuming they survive and keep bombing for 26s, the Hulk will warp off as soon as they get jammed (you are atk, right?), so each does at best 6400 damage. If everything goes perfect and nobody misses a bomb cycle, it takes 3 100m ISK ships to kill Hulks (realistically, you need 4). Each Hulk provides 30m in Loot/Salvage, so you need to find a clump of 10 Hulks to smartbomb Hulks profitably (and they can't actually point them all, because they need cap boosters, so most are going to warp off before they get killed). If they're actually brick tanked, the number jumps to 6 battleships at a cost of 600m Isk.

Carebears claiming gankers are crying.
Gankers claiming that carebears are crying.

Guess you've never heard of all the racial mining frigates, mining cruisers, and the orca/rorqual.

Not every ship can be top dog.

Good news, CCP has granted your request.

What additional kind of variety do you suggest?

I wonder if the Mackinaw's new 250m sig radius means anything...

As someone who's been lumped into "gankers"

I think that it's fine that miners need their hands held, despite my (and others) attempts to show them how to fit their Hulks for safety.
Gankers have never had a problem with the fact that Miners had the option to reduce their yield to gain safety. Miners have simply kept claiming that their Tank doesn't matter, that the gankers "will just bring more ships." All the while clamoring for just a little more tank to save them .


Now that the new ships have stats, miners are annoyed that the tiericide isn't a straight buff to the Hulk, and are confused that the Hulk's gonna have to have some of its abilities reduced so that the other ships have a chance to shine.

The new Hulk is not the Best mining ship. It is one of three best mining ships. All of them are supposed to be the best in their specialized situation.
The Skiff is supposed to be best when you're concerned you might get shot at.
The Mackinaw is supposed to be best when you're concerned that you have nobody to help you haul things.
The Hulk is supposed to be best when both of the above have been taken care of.

Right now the situation on SISI is as follows:
The Skiff is worthless, because the Mackinaw has more than enough tank to dissuade gankers.
The Mackinaw is best if you might get shot at or if you don't have haulers.
The Hulk is best when the above have been taken care of, but apparantly the fact that it takes some care and feeding to keep it in mining crystals (someone claimed that they sometimes needed to make 4 crystal changes during the time the Orca takes to haul it's load to station) is too horrific to contemplate.


By the way, having a New "Higher End" (I assume you mean "Higher Yield") mining ship, just means that after the 6 months it takes for everyone to train into it, mineral prices will fall, and you'll be making the same Isk/hr as you were with the Hulk, but you'll be doing proportionately more hauling to turn the minerals into ISK. At the same time, new players still in mining barges will be making a pittance and will have trouble saving up enough for Exhumers (price is largely independent of mineral prices) or the new ship (assuming it's T2).

P.S. A Dedicated Gas Harvesting ship would be good. Drug Dealing needs some Dev love.

Each mining ship has different advantages and disadvantages, and those cover all 3 of the things that matter to a mining ship: Tank, Cargo, and Yield.

What purpose does a Fast mining ship serve? What purpose does a Long range mining ship serve? What purpose does a fast locking mining ship serve (what's with the Exhumer scan res, anyway?)? What purpose does a Drone focused mining ship serve?

Give me an idea for a new mining ship that's focused on something other than Tank, Yield, or Cargo and actually has a useful purpose.