Science & Industry

I believe the new build price is in the 20-25M range, meaning most of them will sell in the 20-25M range. 60% markup in T1 ships used as well in the manufacturing of T2 ships? They're going to be cutthroated down by the speculators and MIMAF crowd quickly enough once they launch.

People starting the game end up with 6-10M after the starter agents now too, hardly takes them very long to get the isk.

My main and both of my alts each have one rigged and fitted Hulk, and one of the largest kind of T1 barge (Covetor?), also rigged and fitted, as a backup. Not that I actually mine much, but it's nice to have lying around just in case.


More generally, what's the new mining progression going to look like?

I started with a Bantam mining frigate. Then I upgraded to an Osprey mining cruiser. After that I don't remember if I spent any time sucking roid in a medium-sized T1 barge (Procurer), or if I simply waited and jumped straight into the large T1 barge (Covetor?). I think I own a Mackinaw but I've never used it. After the large T1 barge, I went straight for a Hulk.

What's a noob's mining ship progression going to look like? And will it be a smooth pregression in terms of hull ISK cost?

my question now, is... if i start a job pre-patch to build 100 retreivers... will it continue and go through with the final number, after the patch?

... would help here.

I'm not sure of the progression of per-barge ships (I'm assuming the new mining frigate CCP is releasing) but using the new ore prices, and the new changes to barges/exhumers the progression will still naturally be based on skill requirements but as prices go it will be something like this:

Mining frigate > Procurer > Retriever > Covetor > Exhumer

Then based on your plans or needs the player will choose the specific exhumer to fit their play style (hulk for max yield, or mackinaw for ice or cargohold, etc).

Also just speculating based on the new mineral requirements, as well as the new changes to ships (and using current ore prices) I would guess once the ship prices stabilize they will be something like this:

35M T1 Covetor
300M T2 hulk

30M T1 Retriever
250M T2 Mackinaw

25M Procurer
200M Skiff

So basically prices for exhumers will be about 15% different in price (from low, medium, high) and the barges will be 15% of their exhumer T2 counterpart.

this extra minerals thing how can it be enforced? like is there some kind of flagging system ccp has for prepatch procurers and post patch procurers?

i say this because when you pay 20-25 mil for the procurer you expect it to be worth that, reprocessing that procurer should yield you the minerals that are very close in value to what you paid for the procurer. in all other t1 mods you can refine them and get the minerals back. battleships are a prime example, when those ships fall below mineral cost they are snapped up refined or held for later on.


so i reiterate my question here. how does ccp define prepatch procurers and postpatch procurers? or if this is a timed event for adding the extra minerals column when can we expect procurers to be worth what we pay for them?

... i would assume that they will refine to their old levels, atleast for the forseeable future.

and most things in EVE that are built, when they are reprocessed, lose, at minimum, about 20% of the minerals used to build them. Battleships like the raven are a good example, they are missing, last i checked, 20% of the materials when you reprocess (assuming a perfect ME build). Yes, before you ask, that is with perfect refine, perfect standings, 100% reprocess.

all ships and mods have a little loss... some more than others (t2 ships are a prime example of more). so i suspect that for quite some time, these ships will reproc to their current values.

i dont have a problem with this. Insurance fills the gap neatly if you're into destroying ships.

Confirmed. The "Raw Materials" contains the old BPO materials. The "Extra Material" section adds on to this amount.

Is this a practice that CCP does with BPOs generally when they increase build requirements?

I think competition is gona be a bit fierce post patch as everyone tries to dump ships. I'd be surprised if retrievers sell for more than 18M. The procurer market went nuts because of the 5x mineral multiplier, but I think speculation in this ship went way overboard relative to potential demand, and the procurer market will be severely depreciated for some time.

If the cobalt platinum technite alchemy works out, the hulk should hit 170M or lower and the Mackinaw about 140M or more. There is the possibility that the demand for the mackinaw out paces that for the hulk which could greatly inflate its price.

It will take a few weeks to a few months for the new alchemy to scale up, but going long with the exhumers is an incredibly bad idea; use it or lose it. (lose means sell)

Nod, as mentioned a few posts up ...

Say what you want about T1 speculators, but Retriever prices are already getting dangerously close to 20mil all over the place. (except Jita)