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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#21 - 2012-08-01 19:33:44 UTC
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
Toothless CSM says words

What do you mean by 'toothless'?


She means it doesn't have mittani on it.


Eww gross you're trying to speak for me.


Well you don't do a wonderful job yourself.

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Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-08-01 19:41:15 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
Toothless CSM says words

What do you mean by 'toothless'?


She means it doesn't have mittani on it.

Well we will see if this CSM was toothless when the minutesmonths are released. Allegedly these will be the first ones to actually include who on the CSM said what. Instead of using "the CSM said..." as a cowardly way to hide behind who said/did what.

I am very eager to review them just to see how much is still relevant. It might just be very similar to someone handing you last weeks newspaper.
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#23 - 2012-08-01 19:54:30 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Where I work we have a saying "minutes for any meeting that happened more than a week ago are generally worthless."

66,000 words and all could be the spaceship politics version of war and peace but its old news now.

Next time I think you should focus on brevity and aim to the have the minutes out within 2 weeks at the absolute maximum beyond the end of the summit.


Jade, what you are asking for is essentially here and here. I had those out within two weeks of the Summit concluding. I spent about 2 days on each of those blogs, watching the recordings of all the sessions and shooting for ~brevity~ and something that would at least let people know the basics of what was covered in each session. Even then, I hit damn near 12k words myself in those two blogs. If folks don't want to comb through the official minutes, they can read those blogs and still get a general idea of what we did.

Jade Constantine wrote:
If the pure scale of writing is the issue here then you're clearly trying to produce something other than "minutes" and you've strayed into producing something quite different with an entirely different purpose.


How about you not say what we are 'clearly' trying to do until you actually see what we did? Smile

It's entirely possible that we could have done this differently or 'more better good'. However this is the first time the CSM has attempted this level of detail and, as was asked for and promised to the community, transparency. The plan now is to see what people think when they get a chance to read everything, take suggestions and refine the process for the next summit. Fair 'nuff? Big smile

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Trin Xi
#24 - 2012-08-01 21:09:21 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minutes Blink

A better document title: Proceedings of the Seventh Council of Stellar Management

For something with that kind of thump-value, it should have thump-worthy name.

Seleene wrote:
El Cid Campeador wrote:
Forgive my newbness, but what is this talking about?


WHAT IS THE CSM?

Have a read, m8.


Funny that the Wiki page for "What is the CSM" fails to expand the acronym, unless Council of Stellar Management is a backronym.

Post with someone else's main™.
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
#25 - 2012-08-01 22:01:16 UTC
Thank you for keeping us updated. I agree that the stretch between Incarna and Dust will probably be remembered as the year CCP changed the most. I get the feeling that players are more interested in getting things right rather than fast from these boards, so a comprehensive "transparent" minutes will be worth the wait. It would be great if you Trebor and others who have worked on both sides of the industry return for CSM8.

I hope your RL issues work out.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#26 - 2012-08-01 23:36:57 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
I can not wait to read the sections on balance. I am less enthusiastic about reading forumers opinion on how Drakes are so incredibly OP when they're not even close, but they can be safely ignored.
Here is to hoping there is good news on the horizon concerning T1 Cruisers Balance.


Fixed.

Take your whinge-jihad elsewhere, troll.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#27 - 2012-08-01 23:42:11 UTC
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
Toothless CSM says words

What do you mean by 'toothless'?


She means it doesn't have mittani on it.


Eww gross you're trying to speak for me.


Look at the goon, thinking it has an opinion/identity of its own.

Cute.

Very cute.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
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