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Average number of alts per player increasing?

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#61 - 2012-08-01 12:19:49 UTC
CCP has placed a hard cap on how many space barbies one can have on one account, so I have four accounts.

Go on, count the boobs.

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MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#62 - 2012-08-01 12:55:37 UTC
The most accounts I've ever run at once was four. The most accounts I ever had running at the same time (playing) was three. With the higher machine requirements, increased risk of afk mining, questionable client stability when changing sessions, loot nerfs, unified inventory headaches, etc I only use one account and have almost no need to reactivate the others.

I have seriously considered selling the other toons though, so I might have to activate them for a month to do that.

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Dervinus
LowKey Ops
Snuffed Out
#63 - 2012-08-01 13:37:18 UTC
4 accounts here. Only pay for one, other 3 are paid via plex. Pretty much 95% of the people in my 0.0 corp have at least two accounts, and I would say many have 3. I would agree with the statement that if you are serious about spaceships, you MUST have at least 2 accounts if not more depending on the activities you pursue.

o7 toonies

Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#64 - 2012-08-01 14:23:56 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
Here's some stats I derived from this thread in the last 10 minutes looking at all the posts so far who stated their number of alts:

Modal alt average: 2
Median alt average: 2
Mean alt average: 3

A far cry from 1.2 :o
However the outliers (yes, I'm looking at you misters 16, 10 and 8) drag it up quite a bit.
With them disregarded the mean is still 2.3

This kind of thread probably draws people who 'brag' about having many accounts though. And remember that the vast majority of players are those who log in occasionally and are not very involved. Otherwise with about 400k active subscribers we would see a much higher online count on TQ than we do.

I do wonder why one would have more than five accounts unless you're one of the freaks who control a dozen identical ships at once with one mouse. What can you do with ten accounts that you cannot do with three?

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Uyeiu
Doomheim
#65 - 2012-08-01 14:54:05 UTC
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
I don't know if it's just me and the people I know, but barely anyone has a single account anymore, or even two... or three. I'm on the low end with 5 it seems, and I know several people who are well into double figures.

Is anyone else noticing the same? EVE seems to have less real players, but the ones that remain all have their own personal army.

I only have one.

The only way I'd get more than one is if I could afford to PLEX it.

thats WHY you can't afford a PLEX. i think of extra accounts and characters as part of a bigger engine. you ramp up accounts with a buddy trial, convert and get the plex back, skill up 3 quick basic PI alts (4 days), and then get 40-something days of free PI. There are many variations on this that will get you more money over time, including cranking up the skills and promoting the alts to production alts. its easy and it doesn't take much time or investment. plus you can sell decent characters.
Uyeiu
Doomheim
#66 - 2012-08-01 14:56:46 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
What can you do with ten accounts that you cannot do with three?

more production slots, more research slots, more market slots, cell-organized operations to conceal relationships between mains and their operations. i could fill several pages. you aren't thinking things through.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#67 - 2012-08-01 16:16:44 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
Here's some stats I derived from this thread in the last 10 minutes looking at all the posts so far who stated their number of alts:

Modal alt average: 2
Median alt average: 2
Mean alt average: 3

A far cry from 1.2 :o
However the outliers (yes, I'm looking at you misters 16, 10 and 8) drag it up quite a bit.
With them disregarded the mean is still 2.3


Bear in mind that this is also only the people who visit Eve-O and post. Most people who visit don't post, and most people who play don't visit.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Gerald Taric
NEO DYNAMICS
#68 - 2012-08-01 16:55:12 UTC
Technically i got two accounts, but only one of them is actively paid and thus used at the moment. The other one is several years old and an "abandoned" trial account. I have no use for it so far, as one account already has 3 character slots.
Lysanne Reqetta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2012-08-01 17:11:40 UTC
Confirming I have millions of alts*


*Completely ******* true

Blatant alt posting? In my EVE? It's more likely than you think.

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Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#70 - 2012-08-01 18:01:33 UTC
7 accounts between my husband and myself though only 5 are active. Some are for mining, some for wormholes, roams, etc.
Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2012-08-01 18:33:29 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
I don't know if it's just me and the people I know, but barely anyone has a single account anymore, or even two... or three. I'm on the low end with 5 it seems, and I know several people who are well into double figures.

Is anyone else noticing the same? EVE seems to have less real players, but the ones that remain all have their own personal army.


This has been going on for years, incarna making a lot of single account players leave the game has only made multi-accounting more obvious.

The LULZ Boat.

Nikolai Dostoyevski
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2012-08-01 18:38:14 UTC
Andoria Thara wrote:
I know a ton of people who only have 1 account, but they don't play very often. Anyone who is serious about spaceships online has at least 2 accounts.


I have 2. And I pay for both of them (don't use PLEX). This game is much more fun to play with 2 accounts. I've toyed with buying and actively playing a 3rd (I have a 3 monitor setup so could pull it off pretty easily), but my fiancee already thinks I'm crazy enough as it is. Then I could run my own RR tengu wormhole crew, but with playing 3 at a time I might not have the responsiveness necessary for all 3 to avoid a gank.
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#73 - 2012-08-01 19:34:30 UTC
Most corp/alliances now require you let them look at your acct before you join. Thus, if you want to do something completely sneaky, you need 2nd account.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"

McRoll
Extraction and Exploration Ltd.
#74 - 2012-08-01 21:12:20 UTC
Strictly single account since 4+ years and it will remain that way.

Playing only one char forces you to make choices what you spend your training time on and it's not as easy as with alts to haul stuff, spy, scout, get money etc. I believe making such choices is the way CCP envisioned Eve to be and I want to play it that way, even if I cannot pull off certain activities that require alts.

I also do it out of principle, paying more than 15 bucks a month for an online game to get advantages is pay to win territory and I don't want to support that. (not counting ingame money to pay for accounts)
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#75 - 2012-08-01 21:54:44 UTC
I have 5 accounts, 7 characters. I thought about making a 6th, still on the fence about it. Not sure.

Selling pre-trained characters on the character bazaar can be serious biznizz. One character that I'm training I would be perfectly fine with selling for billions of isk. But honestly I have not done the math on the value of training specialized characters compared to RL or ingame investment.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#76 - 2012-08-01 23:22:19 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
Here's some stats I derived from this thread in the last 10 minutes looking at all the posts so far who stated their number of alts:

Modal alt average: 2
Median alt average: 2
Mean alt average: 3

A far cry from 1.2 :o
However the outliers (yes, I'm looking at you misters 16, 10 and 8) drag it up quite a bit.
With them disregarded the mean is still 2.3

I see you there looking at me.Big smile

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#77 - 2012-08-01 23:35:14 UTC
Uyeiu wrote:
Terrorfrodo wrote:
What can you do with ten accounts that you cannot do with three?

more production slots, more research slots, more market slots, cell-organized operations to conceal relationships between mains and their operations. i could fill several pages. you aren't thinking things through.

Id have to agree with the reasonings here as to why and add some of my own.

To me I get bored quickly. If today I had to only play one account in Eve Id probably quit out of sheer boredom. Ive been around since 2003, though not on this toon, and the depth and integration of the Eve universe that is expanding and changing makes me delve into every lil nook and cranny of this game. Looking and analyzing top down and bottom up social structures, economic features, interactions, game mechanics, etc. I love being in several places at once. I love organizing, maintaining and building stand alone units for all sorts of things. I love primary to end point manufacturing and the complexity of finding, organizing and maintaining such supply cycles by myself all the while analyzing and thinking about how a new game mechanic change or new item or even just the possibility of a new change will affect the entire structure of Eve.

For me this is a study not only in human nature and psychology but economics and really all things human all in one go in a closed biosystem if you will, though I envy CCPs position at having the hard data in a lot of ways, in others I dont as it forces me to make data calculations based on other factors and forces more hypothesis creation in the long run due to there being more possibilities and variables than static raw data charts that can be interpreted in different ways.

To be honest this is why I enjoy Eve immensely. So in short...yes, yes.... I AM studying you! And the results are startling to say the least. Twisted

The other reason is this guy https://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/

At first I was like **** THAT ****!! What a looney!! I mean really!ShockedRoll But after a while, and having done a lot of other things in Eve already and already being at 4 accounts then really I got to thinking. Now for me its just a matter of what can "I" personally do in Eve? So its also a lot of self exploration in terms of mental capabilities. Controlling different and unique clients doing unique and different things, multitasking to the extreme as well as planning trianing, usage of accounts and characters, short, mid and long term goal planning etc. Ive found that after so and so many clients my brain simply cannot keep up after a while and degradation of efficiency slows down extremely. Duration of gaming sessions at high, mid or low volume application changes a lot depending on the activities and what Im forcing my brain to task both cognitively and subconsciously. So it all combines for me.

Yes I study everything and everyone to a minute degree and have been for all my life really.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Doc Severide
Doomheim
#78 - 2012-08-01 23:59:29 UTC
When I started EVE I realized very quickly I would want to train more than 1 toon at a time. I started my second account 5 days into the game. I have 5 accounts and 9 toons now...
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#79 - 2012-08-02 01:04:52 UTC
Doc Severide wrote:
When I started EVE I realized very quickly I would want to train more than 1 toon at a time. I started my second account 5 days into the game. I have 5 accounts and 9 toons now...

SImilar. For training alts might as well get a new account and transfer it over - if you have a fairly good idea of where you want to train it to and then stop, anyway.

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Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#80 - 2012-08-02 01:07:38 UTC
i have a alt on this account but he is just a spy dude. And do othere stuff like nothing.....