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Question about change to logoff mechanics
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Kahz Niverrah
Distinguished Johnsons
#1 - 2011-10-10 17:57:12 UTC
The new dev blog talked about a change to logoff mechanics, but I'm curious how this will work if a player logs off before being aggressed. Currently on Tranquility, if a player jumps through a gate into a waiting camp and logs off while holding cloak, the ships waiting on the other side only have 30 seconds to destroy them before they disappear. Would the change to the mechanics keep them there until they are deaggressed or die, or would they have to be aggressed prior to logging off for the new rules to come into play? This is a constant problem with heavily tanked ships and freighters.

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Noriko Mai
#2 - 2011-10-10 17:59:20 UTC
New Dev Blog

CCP Tallest wrote:
Jack Dant wrote:
Sounds good, but will this also affect people who log off without aggression, and would normally dissapear within 1 minute?

If you have not registered aggression at the point of logoff, you will disappear as normal. This cannot be extended by post-logoff aggression.

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Kahz Niverrah
Distinguished Johnsons
#3 - 2011-10-10 18:01:26 UTC
Thanks. Missed the other thread.

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Noriko Mai
#4 - 2011-10-10 18:03:41 UTC
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Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-10-10 18:08:03 UTC
i'd like to see only super caps have this... freighters shouldn't be able to get an aggression timer =p
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#6 - 2011-10-10 18:14:38 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
i'd like to see only super caps have this... freighters shouldn't be able to get an aggression timer =p



Hah. Not only do freighetrs get it. But every single ship in EVE. Brilliant.
Martinez
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-10-11 03:22:30 UTC
That is stupid. Allowing people to avoid combat like that is gay. Pilots not logging off in a safe area should be at risk. Oh yeah Risk a word carebears dont like, and since carebears dont like it CCP panders to them.
The Apostle
Doomheim
#8 - 2011-10-11 03:25:01 UTC
Martinez wrote:
That is stupid. Allowing people to avoid combat like that is gay. Pilots not logging off in a safe area should be at risk. Oh yeah Risk a word carebears dont like, and since carebears dont like it CCP panders to them.

The other 5 pages you have already espoused on this are that way ArrowArrowArrow

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Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-10-11 03:25:41 UTC
Noriko Mai wrote:
New Dev Blog

CCP Tallest wrote:
Jack Dant wrote:
Sounds good, but will this also affect people who log off without aggression, and would normally dissapear within 1 minute?

If you have not registered aggression at the point of logoff, you will disappear as normal. This cannot be extended by post-logoff aggression.



It also applies to every ship in EVE.

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Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-10-11 03:29:08 UTC
Martinez wrote:
That is stupid. Allowing people to avoid combat like that is gay. Pilots not logging off in a safe area should be at risk. Oh yeah Risk a word carebears dont like, and since carebears dont like it CCP panders to them.


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Martinez
T-Cells
Moar Tears
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Martinez wrote:
Pilots not logging off in a safe area should be at risk. Oh yeah Risk a word carebears dont like, and since carebears dont like it CCP panders to them.


Martinez wrote:
carebears


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Moar Tears


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Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#11 - 2011-10-11 03:29:17 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Herping yourDerp wrote:
i'd like to see only super caps have this... freighters shouldn't be able to get an aggression timer =p



Hah. Not only do freighetrs get it. But every single ship in EVE. Brilliant.


sweet, no more logoffski

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#12 - 2011-10-11 03:37:18 UTC
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Herping yourDerp wrote:
i'd like to see only super caps have this... freighters shouldn't be able to get an aggression timer =p



Hah. Not only do freighetrs get it. But every single ship in EVE. Brilliant.


sweet, no more logoffski


only if you drop cloak, otherwise you can still logoffski, just not while agressed
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#13 - 2011-10-11 03:38:17 UTC
The system checks your aggression within every 15 minutes, if you are shot again in that 15 minutes you're not logging off. Basically your clone just went into siezure.

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Martinez
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-10-11 18:01:22 UTC
Headerman wrote:
[quote=Martinez]That is stupid. Allowing people to avoid combat like that is gay. Pilots not logging off in a safe area should be at risk. Oh yeah Risk a word carebears dont like, and since carebears dont like it CCP panders to them.




Must have been your one of your alts we killed in a jf last month. LOL I dont care about likes, I want eve to be a better game. A better game would include no " oh hell i am stupid and didnt properly scout before I jumped though this gate, I will log off and be safe now" button.
Buruk Utama
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-10-11 19:10:13 UTC
Martinez wrote:
.... I want eve to be a better game. A better game would include no " oh hell i am stupid and didnt properly scout before I jumped though this gate, I will log off and be safe now" button.


No you don't, you want EVE to be a game where you can kill, harass, rampage at will on any unwilling target with impunity. You see their ability to sidestep your harassment as an affront to your L33T internet spaceship skills and therefore must complain until said affront is removed from the game, leaving unwilling targets with one less option to by pass your aggression. Anyone who does not play the game in the exact manner and method as you want them to play are probably stooopib, noob, carebear in your book, right? Blink

But what's stupid is trying to alienate a large chunk of CCP's paying user base, I'm sure if they were all to leave the gaem then EVE would be perfect... actually it would be perfect as they would be forced to shut down and thus no more complaining about balancing or anything.
Martinez
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2011-10-11 19:23:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Martinez
Buruk Utama wrote:
Martinez wrote:
.... I want eve to be a better game. A better game would include no " oh hell i am stupid and didnt properly scout before I jumped though this gate, I will log off and be safe now" button.


No you don't, you want EVE to be a game where you can kill, harass, rampage at will on any unwilling target with impunity. You see their ability to sidestep your harassment as an affront to your L33T internet spaceship skills and therefore must complain until said affront is removed from the game, leaving unwilling targets with one less option to by pass your aggression. Anyone who does not play the game in the exact manner and method as you want them to play are probably stooopib, noob, carebear in your book, right? Blink

But what's stupid is trying to alienate a large chunk of CCP's paying user base, I'm sure if they were all to leave the gaem then EVE would be perfect... actually it would be perfect as they would be forced to shut down and thus no more complaining about balancing or anything.



LOL, so you think everyone using the "log off" mechanic is a good thing. Look no one wants to die, but if you dont take steps IN GAME to prevent death then you should die. The fact you carebears think that quitting the game to save your ship should be a good tactic and allowed is comical.

Honestly my alliance kills 1000 to 2000 ships a month. We have roughly just guessing 15 ships a month log off to save their ships. So to imply that changing this would alienate a large chuck off CCP's paying user base is asinine. EVE unlike WoW and Hello Kitty Online has mostly a player base that does understand how eve has real risk vs reward. Unfortuntatly the carebears take the forums alot and cry. As stated earlier, this change would only effect me personally maybe once or twice a month. What it does though is reinforce the EVE mindset that there is real loss in eve. You dont just get to resurrect at the nearest graveyard and start over with all the same stuff.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-10-11 20:01:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Aqriue
Martinez wrote:
LOL, so you think everyone using the "log off" mechanic is a good thing.

We have roughly just guessing 15 ships a month log off to save their ships. So to imply that changing this would alienate a large chuck off CCP's paying user base is asinine.

Yeah, its a good thing. Your whiney tears prove why it should stick around. You want the chance to 100% kill everything, yet you said yourself 1000+ ships and 15 pull this trick a month....thats barely a 10th of a percent . So you have a 99% success rate of killing things. That one odd time someone manages to get away just enrages you like the Hulk and he needs a good lay. ! It shows how humilitating it is to you to loose something.
Buruk Utama
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-10-11 20:30:24 UTC
Martinez wrote:
LOL, so you think everyone using the "log off" mechanic is a good thing.

Martinez wrote:
Honestly my alliance kills 1000 to 2000 ships a month. We have roughly just guessing 15 ships a month log off to save their ships.


First you say EVERYONE uses this and you are deprived of your kills. Then you say based no your actual data about .008% of the pilots you've encountered killed uses the tactic. Why exactly are you crying over 15 missed killsQuestion

My comment regarding the 'carebear' base was more in general. You show absolute scorn towards anyone who doesn't play like you and believe if the game was changed to make YOUR play style the primary play style then the game would be "better". However, in chasing that endeavor you will alienate and drive out the paying players. Why do you hate people who don't play the game the way you want. Do you really think you are that self-entitled?

Martinez wrote:
Unfortuntatly the carebears take the forums alot and cry.

This is funny since we've derailed this thread to address your crying and sense of harassment entitlement.


P.S.
Internet space ships is a game and not real, why do you let online interactions anger you in real life?
Martinez
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-10-11 20:34:03 UTC
Aqriue wrote:
Martinez wrote:
LOL, so you think everyone using the "log off" mechanic is a good thing.

We have roughly just guessing 15 ships a month log off to save their ships. So to imply that changing this would alienate a large chuck off CCP's paying user base is asinine.

Yeah, its a good thing. Your whiney tears prove why it should stick around. You want the chance to 100% kill everything, yet you said yourself 1000+ ships and 15 pull this trick a month....thats barely a 10th of a percent . So you have a 99% success rate of killing things. That one odd time someone manages to get away just enrages you like the Hulk and he needs a good lay. ! It shows how humilitating it is to you to loose something.



As I said, this change does effect me much so the whiney tears arent mine. Its the point. It shouldnt be allowed. Give me a good reason for it to be allowed and I may change my tune.
The Apostle
Doomheim
#20 - 2011-10-11 21:05:55 UTC
Buruk Utama wrote:
Martinez wrote:
LOL, so you think everyone using the "log off" mechanic is a good thing.

Martinez wrote:
Honestly my alliance kills 1000 to 2000 ships a month. We have roughly just guessing 15 ships a month log off to save their ships.


First you say EVERYONE uses this and you are deprived of your kills. Then you say based no your actual data about .008% of the pilots you've encountered killed uses the tactic. Why exactly are you crying over 15 missed killsQuestion

And hey guess what. He was TOLD repeatedly that it is such a SMALL issue in ANOTHER post..... It has also been REPEATEDLY clarified via CCP rulings on logoffski.....

He only has his mic on, not the headset.

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