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Mineral Market Will Crash
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#81 - 2012-08-01 20:18:18 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Mr Management wrote:
Anything that gives the game back to the masses and away from Goons gets my vote.


Too bad that he goons are controlling technecium which is definitely not going to be affected by these changes.

I thought CCP was adding Tech alchemy or somesuch (not up on the tech stuff entirely).


Read the market forum. It isn't a viable alternative because of how lossy the process is.
Infinite Force
#82 - 2012-08-01 20:23:10 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
As CCP revamps the sumer rebalance they also have the opportunity to increase the building minerals used in the construction of those ships. To place even more demand upon the supply.

I can guarantee to you that CCP will not adjust the build costs of in-game items that already exist.

Really? You can make guarantee's for CCP? I'm quite impressed.

/sarcasim off

You do realize that 6 in-game items will have build costs adjusted starting next week? I'll give you a hint - Mining Barges and Exhumers.

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Pipa Porto
#83 - 2012-08-01 20:28:19 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
As CCP revamps the sumer rebalance they also have the opportunity to increase the building minerals used in the construction of those ships. To place even more demand upon the supply.

I can guarantee to you that CCP will not adjust the build costs of in-game items that already exist.


You mean like they didn't adjust the build lists of every T2 item in the game when they nerfed R64s and accidentally Tech?


Oh, wait... that was what got them in trouble in the first place. They tried to nerf R64s by adding alchemy and modifying the build lists of every component in the game to use less R64. That second part made R64s quite oversupplied compared to tech, resulting in the Tech bottleneck and... and... and.


Also, what the other guy said. The Exhumers/Barges have already had their materials list changed on SISI.

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Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#84 - 2012-08-01 20:33:37 UTC
Torvin Yulus wrote:
AdmiralJohn wrote:
I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be.


BECAUSE IT WILL BE A LEGITMATE COMPALINT!

CCP is going to nerf the miener income because tthey don't like miners very much. mission runner isk per our is never affected by mineral prices but why is miners?

anbd people tell me that I am contributing to the problem by mining too much and that yield buffs will not make me more money well THAT IS WRONG. Increasing mining yield will get me more money because I bring in more minerals per hour!


I have a tinfoil hat you could borrow, it looks like you misplaced yours.

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#85 - 2012-08-01 21:08:42 UTC
The mineral market will crash cause the already over-mined Highsec belts will suddenly have unlimited ore. Big smile Derp.

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Knight Cabbage
Doomheim
#86 - 2012-08-01 21:50:20 UTC
A significant part of the mineral price increase was due to the drone and the meta 0 drop nerfs.
So it's questionable if the changes to the barges will have such a big effect.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#87 - 2012-08-01 23:44:55 UTC
All I'm getting from this is "mining is still a really lame profession."

Duly noted. I think I have what I came for. Get a real job you miner bums! Big smile

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2012-08-01 23:56:55 UTC
AdmiralJohn wrote:
I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be.



more likely the null sec alliance tears about moongoo nerfs.

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Pipa Porto
#89 - 2012-08-02 00:06:35 UTC
ugh zug wrote:
AdmiralJohn wrote:
I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be.



more likely the null sec alliance tears about moongoo nerfs.


You mean the nerf that the largest Tech holding alliance has been calling for for years? That nerf?

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Betrinna Cantis
#90 - 2012-08-02 00:07:07 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

I just suffered a sarcasm overload reading that.

You should buy a pod with a sarcasm serge protector. Also comes with Brain Bleach I.V. for how Goons are destroying the game threads.

Destiny Corrupted wrote:
The only reason gankers are affected is because this will affect our massive RMT bot farms. If trit's gonna become one ISK per unit again, then I'll have to switch my datacenter's worth of PCs to WoW fishing or something.

Good thing CCP isn't an Airline Company because now would be the time you were quietly walked into the backroom for a rubber glove search.

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Betrinna Cantis
#91 - 2012-08-02 00:29:32 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
The demand for minerals is relatively inelastic. Think of it this way: a player buys a Drake to go on a 0.0 roam. The roam takes two hours, and by the end, the Drake is lost. If minerals are cheaper, then the Drake is easier to acquire. However, that does not mean that the player can fly two Drakes at the same time (because he can only fly one ship at a time), or that he will spend more than two hours roaming (because he doesn't have an infinite amount of hours in a day). The only way for mineral demand to be elastic is for people to find enjoyment in getting their ships exploded in a very quick succession, which, in EVE, doesn't happen.


I'm gonna mention that another potential source of elasticity is in ship choices.

I see a lot more Cruiser/Frig roams than I used to, and a lot fewer BC roams. I suspect that that is, at least in part, a response to high ship prices.

Whether my experience is common enough for it to affect mineral demand, I don't know.

While this is true, it's only true to a small extent. The guys who need to bring 300 arty Abaddons are still going to bring 300 arty Abaddons, and the guys who need Ravens to run missions are still going to use Ravens to run missions. Small-group pvp is probably the lowest source of hull destruction in the game.

Not if anyone comes into my mining territory. I think there will be alot of "carebears" defending their income space alot more now.

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Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#92 - 2012-08-02 00:31:55 UTC
So missioning will be more profitable?

Woohoo!
Betrinna Cantis
#93 - 2012-08-02 00:32:23 UTC
Gorinia Sanford wrote:
Torvin Yulus wrote:
AdmiralJohn wrote:
I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be.


BECAUSE IT WILL BE A LEGITMATE COMPALINT!

CCP is going to nerf the miener income because tthey don't like miners very much. mission runner isk per our is never affected by mineral prices but why is miners?

anbd people tell me that I am contributing to the problem by mining too much and that yield buffs will not make me more money well THAT IS WRONG. Increasing mining yield will get me more money because I bring in more minerals per hour!


Christ, it's called the market you dolt. Put on your big girl pants and suck it up snowflake.

EDIT: Yes, I'm a miner, I figured it was a fairly easy inroad into EvE and making some ISK. It's done me well since I started in early April. However, I do some trading from time to time (got to sell those minerals I mine and refine) and I also work on my other skills to maximize my ISK potential. If and when the market changes, I will adapt, because it does no good to whine about it.

YOU GO GIRL!!!Big smile

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Betrinna Cantis
#94 - 2012-08-02 01:01:17 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
AdmiralJohn wrote:
I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be.



Strangely enough Trit price just drop from 10 to 6.5 isk/un and new mining barges aren't even there.

Imho trading and market manipulations need a huge nerf bat, not mining or mining barges. Keep dumping your stuff and try to make some profit out of it.

HOLY ASTEROIDS BATMAN!!! Trit is not that much, YOU must be that high.

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Betrinna Cantis
#95 - 2012-08-02 01:08:24 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
The artifically low mineral prices of the 2009-2011 era were mostly driven down by minerals from the drone regions and hordes of mining bots. Plus quite a lot of minerals from loot reprocessing. Drone loot isn't coming back. T1 loot drops aren't coming back. And right now it's not a great time to be a miner bot; even the new Skiffs won't tank the SreegHammer™.

The new mining barges might make mining in hi-sec a little safer if hi-sec miners switch over to the Procurer/Skiff, but I rather suspect that a majority of them will keep right on Hulking, at least until that Hulk they already own gets popped. Who wants to spend ISK to make less ISK? I'd be prepared to bet that a majority of hi-sec miners aren't even aware that the other exhumers are changing so radically.

In short: things won't change all that much. Minerals might fall a little, but not by very much. Assuming that you can tolerate the essentially boring process of mining, it's a great time to be a miner.

For a little while anyway.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#96 - 2012-08-02 01:22:29 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
This will make miners unhappy, gankers unhappy and I'm happy Tier 2 Battleships will cost 80mil...



I dunno I'd think gankers would love cheap tornadoes P

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King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#97 - 2012-08-02 02:37:20 UTC
I've never suicide ganked anyone for profit. It's always been about the surprise high sec buttsecks. Prior to the concord insurance nerf I generally made 1-2M per kill but I did it for the jollies. Lvl2 missions pay more than that time wise. After the insurance nerf, I typically lost a few million but as said, I never did it for the isk. These new changes will make it harder for me to go out and solo gank hulks, but with a few willing friends I will still do it.

As for mineral prices, they will drop if barges are able to mine faster. As others have said, mineral use on a per player basis doesn't really change much. Any increase in players will result in an increase in miners too, so it balances out. I don't think very many have altered their ship choices either because of prices. I know I haven't and I'm not among the wealthier players in eve.

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Herr Hammer Draken
#98 - 2012-08-02 06:02:25 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
As CCP revamps the sumer rebalance they also have the opportunity to increase the building minerals used in the construction of those ships. To place even more demand upon the supply.

I can guarantee to you that CCP will not adjust the build costs of in-game items that already exist.


You mean like they didn't adjust the build lists of every T2 item in the game when they nerfed R64s and accidentally Tech?


Oh, wait... that was what got them in trouble in the first place. They tried to nerf R64s by adding alchemy and modifying the build lists of every component in the game to use less R64. That second part made R64s quite oversupplied compared to tech, resulting in the Tech bottleneck and... and... and.


Also, what the other guy said. The Exhumers/Barges have already had their materials list changed on SISI.



Herr Hammer Draken
"The Amarr prophet"

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Pipa Porto
#99 - 2012-08-02 06:08:10 UTC
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken
"The Amarr prophet"


Glad Hate to burst your bubble, but the material list changes were posted well before your post.

So, to FYP:

Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken
"The Amarr Journalist"

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Herr Hammer Draken
#100 - 2012-08-02 06:18:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Herr Hammer Draken
Pipa Porto wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken
"The Amarr prophet"


Glad Hate to burst your bubble, but the material list changes were posted well before your post.

So, to FYP:

Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken
"The Amarr Journalist"


Did that irritate you good.
You know there are 3 other occurances in the last 2 weeks.
See if you can find them.
And I was not aware of the materials list change when I posted and obviously neither was the person that tried to negate my post.
If I was aware you would not have had to defend my post from that attack.

Herr Hammer Draken
"The Amarr Prophet"

I need to figure out how to make that my signiture.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"