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Recruitment Channel vs. Recruitment Forums

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Malcontent Blackstar
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-07-30 14:41:16 UTC
Greetings, as a newly subbed Eve-ite, I was hoping to get a little advice on looking for a corporation.

I've been doing a lot of research about this, and I have a few questions:

1) I've been listening (looking at?) the in-game recruitment channel and there are a lot of messages about corporations who do and do not help newbies and have sp requirements and such. Should I wait till I have some SPs before I really get into corp hunting - I read a lot about how corp hopping is frowned upon and one should be pretty careful about who he joins up with. I'm certainly glad corps accept new people, but I'd hate to jump into something that I can't contribute to.

2) Is it at all accurate to presume that the corporations recruiting in the forum threat here are more established or would be more capable of actually delivering on the promises they make about what they offer?

3) I notice there are a lot of corps interested in miners and industrial types in null-sec. What sort of industrial career do people have out there? My understanding is that most industry is conducted in high-sec for safety purposes, other than capital construction which has to take place in null. I'm interested in making iskies through industry, but I want to make sure that if I did join up in a null-sec corp with that understanding, industry isn't just a euphemism for a hauler. Are the two different?

Thanks!

Braxus Deninard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#2 - 2012-07-30 15:10:32 UTC
1) I would definitely spend some time with your home NPC corp before looking at player owned corps. Make a decision on what sort of direction you want to initially head in, whether it's industry, pvp, pve, or anything else. Start training skills to head towards that goal. Of course since you're newly subbed, spend the time in the NPC corp to learn as much about the game as you can.

You can make the transition to a player corp whenever you want - I did it after about 3 weeks of learning and training, but most jump to a player corp a bit quicker than that. Many corps will accept newbies and will help you out, so don't worry about SP requirements - there's a corp out there for everyone.

2) Not really accurate at all. If I were you I'd look for a more established corp which has protocol in place for newer users like yourself, so that you have a lot of people around you helping you out. If you join some small, unknown corp, support will most likely be limited, although this isn't always the case.

3) Industry and hauler are certainly not the same. Haulers, as the name suggests, just transfer goods from one location to another. Very few people are dedicated haulers, simply because it's so boring. The sort of industrial career you can have is pretty varied, from the standard mining career which can be found in high/low/nullsec corps, to people creating blueprints and then items which can then be sold on the market or to other corps. POS's can be set up for research and production of other items as well.

Industry is pretty varied. It really isn't just hauling. Many consider mining to be quite boring - however you might love it and plus the other aspects of industry such as research and production may appeal to you.

In all the tutorials with the tutorial agents, you get a taste of what industry has to offer, from mining to production of parts and using blueprints. In a corp it becomes a lot more fun.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#3 - 2012-07-30 15:18:47 UTC
1. Newbies can always contribute. 55k SP*, and a frigate fitted with a point (warp scrambler or warp disruptor) is all you need to be able to contribute to a gang (note, you'll need to listen to your FC **VERY CAREFULLY** ... but you get the idea).

2. Not necessarily.

3. You're slightly mistaken here, though I would caution against nullsec for a "first corp" (assuming you're going the industry route), on the simple fact that there's a lot of "other strings" that go into being in nullsec that might not fit your playstyle.

*or whatever start SP is, plus the prereqs for said point.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Woy Hodgson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-07-30 15:26:46 UTC
Ill be honest and realistic with you mate. Never join a corp that is advertising in the recruitment channel in game. If a corp has to resort to afk spamming an advert in there, they are probably not worth a minute of your time. Most of the corps advertising in there are "fly by night" small highsec corps that will never become more than 5-10 people doing not much at all (If they survive past their first week). These are the people who are too lazy or incompetent to create a real website or write out a coherent recruitment post, which usually projects pretty poorly on their organization and communications skills.

At a minimum, I would look through the recruitment forums here on the Eve-O website. The quality of the posts here is generally pretty informative compared to in game, and you can shop around to get an idea of what is out there. Outside of this website there is one awesome source for recruitment which I would recommend, and that is the Eve University work fair forums http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewforum.php?f=66 Check out here for screened, quality corps in highsec, lowsec, 0.0, and wormholes.
Malcontent Blackstar
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-07-30 17:03:36 UTC
Thanks all for the advice, it is much appreciated!
Eron Relentless
STARS of BABYLON ALLIANCE
#6 - 2012-07-30 18:49:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Eron Relentless
Nevermind.
Velarra
#7 - 2012-07-30 21:41:58 UTC
You may want to take your initial few days and weeks slowly. Read, research, reflect and i'd suggest starting this by wandering the evelopedia's collection of guides & links. The evelopedia offers a wide array of perspectives and viewpoints on numerous aspects of eve involvement be it industrial or other paths.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Guides
Equus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-07-30 22:03:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Equus
I generally agree with what has been said, though I wager not all corps in the looking for corp channel are bad, you might just have to do a little more homework on them.

Joining a corp is a big decision and you are right to be wary and do your homework, if ever a corp asks for money to join 99 times out of a hundred it's a scam. If it is a null corp and they offer to jump all your belongings out to null but are unwilling to take a contract with collateral it is likely a scam too.

When researching a corp, do not just google the corp name, look for info on its members and the person you are talking to.

Finally, make sure the person you are speaking to is actually a recruitment officer for the corp. Many corps will have their recruitment and diplomatic officers written in their write-up and forum posts.

EDIT:
If they ask for money I retract my 99/100, just don't do it, no respectable corp will ever ask you for money just to join.
Velarra
#9 - 2012-07-30 22:38:45 UTC
You may wish to combine http://evewho.com/ along side various other approaches to finding a corp you're interested in flying / working with. While it may take a certain degree of experience to get the most from that site, perhaps when looking for potential corps it may give you some general information you can make use of.
Lyric Lahnder
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-08-01 15:13:00 UTC
I've never been in corps that I have had RL friends in so that suggestion is out. You might never find a corp with advice Like that.
I have yet to be screwed by a corp or kicked from a corp, and I have always been a stranger to them when I started. Generally your positive attitude and willingness to follow orders and help out when needed is what will keep you around. I know I guy who kicked his own brother from his corp for being a jack ass, sometimes in eve the qualities I have mentioned will get you further then blood or rl ties.

I always tell people the same four things when trying to find a corp.

1. Clear mission statement Direction("We do everything" is not a mission statement)
2. Voice coms(yes we have in game ones but established corps have there own ts3, ventrillo, mumble server etc).
3. Forums that are used frequently(Forums are used to coordinate in game activities out of game).
4. A website(Even if its one page that has a link to the forums, websites can be the business card of your corp).

Hope these tips help.

Noir. and Noir Academy are recruiting apply at www.noirmercs.com I Noir Academy: 60 days old must be able to fly at least one tech II frigate. I Noir. Recruits: 4:1 k/d ratio and can fly tech II cruisers.

Luminak Narz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-08-01 20:06:36 UTC
Some good replies in this thread. The only thing I'd say is that waiting too long to get into the action doesn't sound like a very fun idea. I can tell you that it's easy to fall into a rut of mission running and messing around with mining as a new player because you may not feel comfortable taking the initiative in trying to get into corp fleets and pvp. Doing that may give you the impression that EVE is a dreadfully boring game. So, in summary, it may be tough for a new player, but if you want to start experiencing the game early, just be aggressive and throw yourself out there. Not everyone will accept you with open arms, but screw 'em. You'll be better in the long run.
Ogi Talvanen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-08-01 21:04:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Ogi Talvanen
I gave him a nice option and i didn't even ask him for a deposit or to jump his stuff to null.
Dervinus
LowKey Ops
Snuffed Out
#13 - 2012-08-01 21:30:39 UTC
Eron Relentless wrote:
NEVER EVER join any other corp than a one you have a real life friends in and / or is advertising on the forums. Even joining a forum marketed corporation is a risk, but at least you have a chance that scammed / ganked people will come to the topic and post about it.

Keep in mind that EVE is a griefers game, mostly. For vast majority of players in here, the main ingame fun is to prevent other people from having fun, especially if they are vulnerable newbies. People who actually enjoy sci-fi and flying spaceships are a minority here. Griefing and scamming is not only legal and encouraged, but also promoted by CCP through support of the Goonswarm, worst of the sort of teen nerdy scammers.

Take your time before you join a player run corporation. Dont listen to the "you can PvP on your day 1" advice - you wont. Technically you can, but in reality its just a waiting game before someone looks at you funny and instagibs you. Besides that, as soon as you join a PvP corp and log in when there is no fleet you could join up (which is very often considering EVE has mere 40k account online in peaks, which is some 15-20k pilots after alts deduction), you are literally fu*cked up left for station ship spinning. Going solo as a newbie pilot in PvP zone is a sure death any moment a space butterfly farts nearby - most likely at the nearest gate.

Joining PvP too soon is one of the worst things you can do, because you simply die too fast to learn anything and start getting frustrated fast. People who encourage you to do it have been in the game for years and have no idea what it takes to fly in PvP as a several days / weeks / months old pilot learning the basics. For them flying around with 2 weeks old toon is possible, because of the player skill they have picked on their older pilots.

Spend some time exploring EVE and figuring out what interests you. Unless flying with a blob (= stupidly large fleet) of veteran people, you will be pretty much useless in small scale PvP in you first 4-6 months even on frigate level. Newbie-kill hungry schmucks will keep telling you otherwise, but in reality all you will meet in PvP is well skilled and fitted veterans and more better skilled and even better fitted veterans.

Make some ISK first. You should be able to fit your active ship several times before even considering getting anywhere near PvP (because most likely your first ships will fall to various types of manly camps before you learn the basics). You should have some 5-10 fully fitted frigates before you take one and have yourself instagibbed.


With all due respect, this guy is full of ****. The only people who say you can't PvP on day one are people who have no clue about PvP. Its all about finding the right group of people to fly with. You obviously know nothing about Goonswarm or its allies, as not only are they not "teen nerdy scammers," but they are THE MOST welcoming corp towards new players in all of eve.

OP: It is ABOSLUTELY possible to get into PVP as a brand new day - 1 player. Don't listen to the losers who have no idea what they are talking about. Join up with a corp such as Red vs Blue (or Dreddit/Goonswarm if you have a Reddit/SA account), and learn to play Eve the right way. This game is all about getting in the right environment, and I guarantee you WILL quit Eve if you wait until you have 20 million SP to pvp. Please PM/Evemail me if you ever need any questions about pvp or corps as a newbie.

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