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Reasons to lol at new barge changes
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Kitty Carr
ALtercations Anonymous
#1 - 2012-08-01 17:28:00 UTC
So i'm in high sec, pre inferno 1.2 of course, and my hulk in ganked. Which gets me to thinking about how would the up coming changes have saved me? My attackers were partially concorded, my hulk had a tank, but they had several destroyers. They lost t1 destroyers and probley got a payday of a few mill and some pricey loot for it. I lost a 300mill in ship/parts and got a under 80mill in insurance. In short they made out at my expense on a highsec gank.

The new barges would at best (skiff) field a 50k ehp. Ok that sounds wonderful in theory until people drop in with half a dozen destroyers and support frigs on top of that. With only a few million invested in those ships and several million to gain. But thats the BEST of the new barges the hulk is barely getting any buffs. Think this is a rare scenario? Think again, there are plenty of multi-client gankers who bring their alts to the battle.

To top it off I get this little scam mail in my mail box afterwards...

Quote:

Greetings!

It appears that you were the unfortunate victim of a Hulkageddon gank. As you may have heard, Hulkageddon V has been ongoing since April 30th, and it is well-known that thousands of Hulks and Mackinaws are destroyed during these campaigns. Exhumers are notoriously weak and the poor state of T2 hull insurance makes these ships extremely costly to lose for the victims, while extremely cheap to kill for the gankers. Additionally, an edict by The Mittani has extended Hulkageddon V indefinitely - gankers are still being paid rewards 5 months after the announcement of Hulkageddon V by Helicity Boson.

This is where I come in. I am the Goonswarm Federation director in charge of managing the Hulkageddon campaign, and I deal with selling Mining Permits. The purchase of a Permit ensures that Hulkageddon participants do not target you - should they do so, any winnings they may claim are immediately void, and your loss will be FULLY reimbursed at current Jita prices!

To purchase a Mining Permit, send this character 250 million ISK with the reason "PERMIT" and you will shortly be listed under our exemptions list (characters that Hulkageddon participants must set blue for the duration of the campaign) and any exhumer losses you incur to suicide ganks throughout the remainder of the Hulkageddon campaign will be reimbursed, provided the following conditions:

- Any losses within 4 hours of payment will NOT be reimbursed. Wait 4 hours after payment before resuming your mining! The reason for this is that gankers have some leeway to keep their contacts up to date with our spreadsheet, and cannot be expected to continuously check it.
- The loss must be in HIGH SECURITY space (0.5 security or better!) No party on your killmail may have an active war declaration against your corporation/alliance or be a member of your (non-NPC) corporation.
- Any indication of MACRO USAGE will void your request. Goonswarm Federation does not intend on supporting botters.
- Fraud will not be tolerated. Anyone suicide ganking their own exhumers to collect payouts through this plan will be denied payment.
- Only characters that send 250,000,000 ISK to "Andski" will be listed on the no-kill list! Alts are not covered, unless you send this character that same amount of ISK from those alts!

For reference, your character name will be listed on this exemption list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag0_cKv2BUAhdHI2NHU5YVY2eERqVU9GZnhVLUJRVVE

Happy mining!




Sure there some solo gankers out there crying at CCP's new barge updates, but for the rest of the universe, there all laughing another attempt of CCP to show its manhood to the world and prove the Goons don't have free rein in high sec. Only to be weighed, measured and found wanting.

In the end only a major overhaul to how CCP handles high sec piracy will change anything. If you doubt this, stand on a gate at a trade hub and watch the same people who gank you pop past in fast frigs or pods. Or in a 0.6-0.5 and see the numerous yellow/red tags.

But if you think CCP's going for a serious fix anytime before now and the next 10 years. Remember it took CCP days to nerf an anti-goon alliance, and years to give barges a better tank. Notice a difference in priorities?

Maybe the real solution are more patches that screw up bot miners for a while. That seems to make CCP take note that miners need some attention too, and that their devs are starting to get stains on their ears the same color as the goon bat phone.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#2 - 2012-08-01 17:28:57 UTC
New and exciting.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#3 - 2012-08-01 17:42:04 UTC
Kitty Carr wrote:
But if you think CCP's going for a serious fix anytime before now and the next 10 years.


Nice sentence there.

BTW, what was broken?

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Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-08-01 17:44:22 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
New and exciting.

Original and Refreshing!

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Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#5 - 2012-08-01 17:45:08 UTC
First off, the letter is a scam. Ignore it.

2nd, you assume that ccp is purely reacting to goons, prompting the mining barge change. You are ignoring the already made frigate changes, the up coming frigate changes, and host of other planned ship changes. This isn't about gankibg, but about balancing out ships and giving renewed purpose to ships that are barely used.

And ccp reacted extremely quickly to the LP/faction warfare scandal, which was a goon project, which seems to go against your arguments too.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#6 - 2012-08-01 17:47:00 UTC
Kitty Carr wrote:
So i'm in high sec, pre inferno 1.2 of course, and my hulk in ganked. Which gets me to thinking about how would the up coming changes have saved me? My attackers were partially concorded, my hulk had a tank, but they had several destroyers. They lost t1 destroyers and probley got a payday of a few mill and some pricey loot for it. I lost a 300mill in ship/parts and got a under 80mill in insurance. In short they made out at my expense on a highsec gank.

The new barges would at best (skiff) field a 50k ehp. Ok that sounds wonderful in theory until people drop in with half a dozen destroyers and support frigs on top of that. With only a few million invested in those ships and several million to gain. But thats the BEST of the new barges the hulk is barely getting any buffs. Think this is a rare scenario? Think again, there are plenty of multi-client gankers who bring their alts to the battle.

To top it off I get this little scam mail in my mail box afterwards...

Quote:

Greetings!

It appears that you were the unfortunate victim of a Hulkageddon gank. As you may have heard, Hulkageddon V has been ongoing since April 30th, and it is well-known that thousands of Hulks and Mackinaws are destroyed during these campaigns. Exhumers are notoriously weak and the poor state of T2 hull insurance makes these ships extremely costly to lose for the victims, while extremely cheap to kill for the gankers. Additionally, an edict by The Mittani has extended Hulkageddon V indefinitely - gankers are still being paid rewards 5 months after the announcement of Hulkageddon V by Helicity Boson.

This is where I come in. I am the Goonswarm Federation director in charge of managing the Hulkageddon campaign, and I deal with selling Mining Permits. The purchase of a Permit ensures that Hulkageddon participants do not target you - should they do so, any winnings they may claim are immediately void, and your loss will be FULLY reimbursed at current Jita prices!

To purchase a Mining Permit, send this character 250 million ISK with the reason "PERMIT" and you will shortly be listed under our exemptions list (characters that Hulkageddon participants must set blue for the duration of the campaign) and any exhumer losses you incur to suicide ganks throughout the remainder of the Hulkageddon campaign will be reimbursed, provided the following conditions:

- Any losses within 4 hours of payment will NOT be reimbursed. Wait 4 hours after payment before resuming your mining! The reason for this is that gankers have some leeway to keep their contacts up to date with our spreadsheet, and cannot be expected to continuously check it.
- The loss must be in HIGH SECURITY space (0.5 security or better!) No party on your killmail may have an active war declaration against your corporation/alliance or be a member of your (non-NPC) corporation.
- Any indication of MACRO USAGE will void your request. Goonswarm Federation does not intend on supporting botters.
- Fraud will not be tolerated. Anyone suicide ganking their own exhumers to collect payouts through this plan will be denied payment.
- Only characters that send 250,000,000 ISK to "Andski" will be listed on the no-kill list! Alts are not covered, unless you send this character that same amount of ISK from those alts!

For reference, your character name will be listed on this exemption list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag0_cKv2BUAhdHI2NHU5YVY2eERqVU9GZnhVLUJRVVE

Happy mining!




Sure there some solo gankers out there crying at CCP's new barge updates, but for the rest of the universe, there all laughing another attempt of CCP to show its manhood to the world and prove the Goons don't have free rein in high sec. Only to be weighed, measured and found wanting.

In the end only a major overhaul to how CCP handles high sec piracy will change anything. If you doubt this, stand on a gate at a trade hub and watch the same people who gank you pop past in fast frigs or pods. Or in a 0.6-0.5 and see the numerous yellow/red tags.

But if you think CCP's going for a serious fix anytime before now and the next 10 years. Remember it took CCP days to nerf an anti-goon alliance, and years to give barges a better tank. Notice a difference in priorities?

Maybe the real solution are more patches that screw up bot miners for a while. That seems to make CCP take note that miners need some attention too, and that their devs are starting to get stains on their ears the same color as the goon bat phone.


No, they are not going to make mining barges the only ships in EVE that are impervious no matter how many ships are thrown at it.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#7 - 2012-08-01 17:48:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Ronuken
Well, if you're concerned, fly a skiff with a tank. Sure, you'll lose around 25% yield from a hulk, but you'll have over 100k ehp (still gankable. But not profitably).

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malcovas Henderson
THoF
#8 - 2012-08-01 18:05:09 UTC
Kitty Carr wrote:
Clueless whining




First of all. Balance is not around the price of a ship. Your Hulk cost you 300mill only because to decided to pay 300 mil for it. If I decided I'd pay 600 mil for a Dessie does that mean I can gank you all day long without you whining about it.

Secondly, why shouldn't an organized gank of 6-8 players be successful? Infact Organized Ganking should be appluaded for being "in the mould of EVE"

Thirdly Stop posting. You're making the sensible miners look bad.


o7
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#9 - 2012-08-01 18:07:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Roll Sizzle Beef
Sarik Olecar wrote:
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
New and exciting.

Original and Refreshing!

Classic and Dependable
Maddie Gunslinger
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-08-01 18:18:00 UTC
Everyone mines something, Hulk processing skill still missing from game tho, it is classed as a space rock right?

Happy mining day everyone!

What? No...
Velicitia
XS Tech
#11 - 2012-08-01 18:21:00 UTC
Kitty Carr wrote:
The new barges would at best (skiff) field a 50k ehp.



Funny, the numbers I'm seeing put you about 30-35k EHP shy of where you "can" be. Granted, you're not gonna be mining a whole hell of a lot, but as with anything you have to consider "gank" (mining yield) vs. tank.

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Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-08-01 18:23:42 UTC
Kitty Carr wrote:
f CCP to show its manhood to the world and prove the Goons don't have free rein in high sec. Only to be weighed, measured and found wanting.


Win.

The LULZ Boat.
Suqq Madiq
#13 - 2012-08-01 18:26:57 UTC
Haha! I assume OP is referring to this killmail

Two things:

1) Despite claiming that you "fit a tank", you did it poorly. Buffer, buffer, buffer. It's the only way to dissuade the majority of gankers.
2) Take solace in the fact that the idiots spent 7 Destroyers to kill you when a single Catalyst could have done the same job.
Suqq Madiq
#14 - 2012-08-01 18:29:59 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Funny, the numbers I'm seeing put you about 30-35k EHP shy of where you "can" be. Granted, you're not gonna be mining a whole hell of a lot, but as with anything you have to consider "gank" (mining yield) vs. tank.


30-35k is about the maximum that a pure tank fit Hulk can attain now, so unless the OP fit zero tank your guesstimate is wildly inaccurate.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#15 - 2012-08-01 18:38:25 UTC
The new Skiff can get to 100k EHP. Sure sufficient destroyers can still gank it. (BTW, what would it take? 10? 15?) but that's a big step up from the 3 to 4 it takes now. The result is 15 gankers can only take out one miner at a time, rather than the 4 at a time they can do now.

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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#16 - 2012-08-01 18:48:26 UTC
Suqq Madiq wrote:
Haha! I assume OP is referring to this killmail

Two things:

1) Despite claiming that you "fit a tank", you did it poorly. Buffer, buffer, buffer. It's the only way to dissuade the majority of gankers.
2) Take solace in the fact that the idiots spent 7 Destroyers to kill you when a single Catalyst could have done the same job.


That's cute, the OP thought a shield booster would help and then left a mid slot empty. Shows just how clueless about the game they are and why the post they made is utter garbage.

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#17 - 2012-08-01 18:50:27 UTC
OP you don't get it.

The new barge changes (for the most part) have little to nothing to do with ganking. it has to do with the lower barges and exhumers being near useless on TQ.

Once you got a max skilled Hulk, there was never any reason to fly anything else.



CCP wants to change that. The new changes are a step in the right direction (though IMO, and others, the Skiff should have a little less ore bay, while the Mack should have a little less tank).
Rengerel en Distel
#18 - 2012-08-01 18:54:55 UTC
ITT: OP thinks 6500hp is a "tanked" hulk ...

Also: lol at FW alliance ganking miners in high sec.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Taranius De Consolville
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-08-01 18:59:05 UTC
What

A

Douche

You have no clue, the mail is a fake, quite clearly and you sir are a fool

Another Goon alt trying to make Goons look big and scary.

Your not

Your just another Null Sec alliance who think's you actually matter in the grand scheme of things.

Your *Burn Jita* did annoy market areas but did no lasting damage.

Crawl back into your hole.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#20 - 2012-08-01 19:02:33 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
What

A

Douche

You have no clue, the mail is a fake, quite clearly and you sir are a fool

Another Goon alt trying to make Goons look big and scary.

Your not

Your just another Null Sec alliance who think's you actually matter in the grand scheme of things.

Your *Burn Jita* did annoy market areas but did no lasting damage.

Crawl back into your hole.

Um... no.

The mail is real. Goons have been mailing it out regularly. Probably made some money off of it too.
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