EVE General Discussion

I am not up to date on the crystal size discussion, only what I read in this thread.

I agree with points on both sides though. Mining Crystal management should be one of the bigger concerns of a mining fleet. Decide to go for yield or convenience and organize appropriately.

However, compared to other charge types, In your standard cruiser you can fit about 2000 of every hybrid charge type. Amounting to about 20,000 charges (my Proteus can fit ~ 25k charges) based on my current skills with a t2 medium hybrid blaster @ 5 blasters fitted [1 charge x 5 blasters / 2.7seconds cycle = 1.85 charges a second] [1.85 / 20k charges = 10810 seconds to deplete: translated ~ 3 hours to depleted ammo] The numbers are from memory I did not test this.

Your average high-sec mining op for joe shmoe corp lasts from an hour to 8 hours. But a hulk can't fit a set of every type of crystal in the hold. (nor should you need to).

My normal crystal compliment is 1 set for every type of ore in the belt/ every ore type the op intends to mine comes to about 5 types for example high sec = Veld, Sord, Plaig, Pyrox, Kernite. at current m3 for crystals that is only 750m3 for t1 crystals.

For the future hulk cargohold, last numbers I saw, of 2500m3 you still have plenty of room for cap boosters for a tank.

While I would like to be able to put all the types of crystals in my hold, it is never necessary. And with a 500 cycle lifetime (shortest cycle being about 1 minute with a really awesome fleet booster = 8 hour constant run time) your should only need one set per type per mining op. unless you have mining ops longer than 8 hours. If that is the case, please get a girlfriend, go get some fresh air, something. I am a hardcore gamer, but even I have a hard time sitting in an 8 hour mining op.

I actually have to agree with this, after testing all exhumer class Hulk became a *thing* but the king of exhumer class. Due to fitting restrictions and EHP Mackinaw is more interesting and for sure a Skiff now in groups with boost fitted with T2 strips and crystals will massacre belts way safer.

Hulk needs another buff, something interesting enough to give it the role of king of rocks cause right now on sisi it's everything you want but the best exhumer.

Let me spell it again, slowly.

Maths, long blurbs, motivational spots, whatever you'll do, won't effect a iota about what I and others have said.

In the last 7 days I have sold 20 Hulks and 200 (TWO HUNDREDS) Mackinaws.

T w o h u n d r e d s.


And I have timed it so that my last batch should be ready about August 7, yes I am still spamming Macks.


Finding a full runs Retriever BPC on contracts is almost impossible vs loads of Covetor.
Finding a full runs Mack BPC on contracts is an exercise of futility, the little that was out when I last checked (past DT) was 2 extremely overpriced ones.



Why?



Because all except the expert theorycrafters, PvP self pros, self proclaimed though guys and "deal with it boys" just don't get how things work. Sorry nobody will go clean toilets to show how good at logistics they are (lol an idiot bringing some crystals - a waste of account - being called "logistics skill, dedication to the game" and other bull).

Have fun preaching to the wind, I am making a very unexpected but welcome killing in a minor patch speculation.

With the current Hulk and Mack, Macks is where ISK is at.

As long as Hulkageddon keeps going, your 0.1% super hard mode purely on paper 1000 men mining fleet is going to be massively outnumbered by swarms of Macks happily buzzing around it.
Have fun being looked from the above by everyone else, enjoying similar performance while having inferior costs, massively reduced idiotic menial tasks, much better cargo and no brainer defense.

I think CCP will have to massively nerf Macks to make people bother to take it in the 90 degrees like you guys fervently preach to do.




Hulk is almost fine, it only needs a nerf to menial tasks that go exactly against its workflow and make it not the obvious min maxed yield ship.
But don't be mistaken, the "almost fine" is as fine as going to a restaurant and being served the perfect soup... with one of someone's pubic hair floating over it.

Yeah, this is why Mack EHP should be less than the Hulk EHP. Or perhaps swapped.

Already seeing, with annoyance, discussion on how to optimally set up a Mackinaw for maximum-AFK, max yield, gank-resistant fits.

Hulk doesn't seem to bad to me now - miners will be kept in their seats with small unexpandabe ore bay, requiring constant attention. They are forced to 'milk the cat' to take advantage of higher yields. This will also protect them from a number of ganks, as they will (theoretically) have higher situational awareness.

Mackinaw pilots should be kept in their seats by weaker EHP. That big AFK-friendly cargo bay can be balanced by AFK-unfriendly lower EHP. The temptation to just 'fire and forget' in an ICE field, will be balanced by gankers able to take you down with less effort than a Hulk.....


And as far as the Hulk/crystal whines go. I say, take away the Ore Bay. Give the Hulk its old cargo bay back and they can fill it with as many crystals as they like. They'll also cargo-expand them and that will make me very happy.

Thank god CCP does not listen to the player base the majority of the time.

The hulk mines the best out of them all. Giving the hulk the same tricks of the other barges will result in those barges beoming useless again.

The hulk isnt supposed to be a solo miner, the mack is, hence why it outperforms the hulk at mining solo. Solo rock crunching in highsec isnt the be all and end all of mining and from what I've seen theyve actually taken that into account when they rebalanced the hulls.

You get a good few hours out of the crystals you can fit in the hold. Exactly how is this an issue?

because the duration of crystals has never been the issue lol. read before posting perhaps? not like there isn't nearly 100 pages of it in the other thread.

If you mine as lazily as you read text, it would explain your whine about the Hulk.