EVE General Discussion

The best part is that you thought there would be a change.

Yes, I did. But you have to admit, there was pretty good evidence that something was going to change. Unless I'm just insane. Which is a distinct possibility.

It seems to have been fixed.

It was doing this on bistot and scordite, over 4 different times I logged in and did some mining.

Only if you're a brainless moron with no imagination.

I'm expecting a "Wait for tomorrows build... maybe... as all changes have not gone though. Perhaps your feelings may change on the matter."

Or grab replacements when you dock up to unload if you are mining solo. Or fit cargo expanders.

Its not a circle so much as people pointing out the obvious and you going "lalala i cant hear you" and then whining some more.

The reason people keep telling you to use the mackinaw is because given the changes currently on SIsi it fits what you seem to want from your mining ship much better than the hulk does. You in turn seem to be ignoring this and continually bitching at CCP to change the hulk when it doesnt need it.

Pretty much, yes.

I've been too busy in Eve to get SiSi reinstalled, so I want to make sure I understand the problem before I get into specifics of how to handle it. As it stands right now, a post-patch hulk can carry two sets of crystals in cargo, plus the crystals loaded into the miners. Correct me if I'm mistaken on that.

My math on crystal life has to be wrong. The stats suggest that a crystal is good for 500 cycles (.2% volatility), and when you can get at best a 2 minute cycle. That indicates you can do two full days of mining on what the hulk can carry. I *must* be missing something here, but I'm not sure what. Otherwise, the whining in this thread is far worse than I thought.

In any case, three sets of crystals means the capability to mine three different types of ore, or the same type of ore for a significant amount of time.

Since so many miners seem incapable of doing this for themselves, I'm going to spell out how to deal with this.

You *should* be planning your mining op so that you know what crystals you'll need in each hulk. A survey scanner will tell you how much of each ore type there is. Some simple math (or better yet, a spreadsheet) will tell you the total volume of each type. From there you calculate based on the lowest yield per cycle possible for a T2 miner exactly how many crystals you need for each type of ore and make sure you've got the supplies on hand.

Work out assignments for each hulk pilot. The highest-yield pilots should be mining the lowest-quantity ores. This will minimize crystal use and eliminate that ore type more quickly. Each hulk should have one set of crystals for the most plentiful ore in the field so that if they can't mine with the other sets, they can switch to that while they reposition or wait for new crystals to be brought to them.

In most scenarios, such as a grav site mining op where the hulks are spread out to avoid a smart bomb attack, approaching a drop can next to the orca one at a time to swap out crystals doesn't make you significantly more vulnerable, and you can mine the entire time you're moving around.

In the deadspace mining worst-case scenario presented earlier in the thread, that orca can travel 4.5 km per minute. That means it can traverse the maximum range of its tractor beam in less than 19 minutes. Even if the hulks are 150 km apart, it would take an orca with no prop mod 33 minutes to move from one to the next. That's plenty of time for an orca to make the rounds and distribute crystals if you can't muster a low-level recruit or alt to do the job.

If you can't manage something as simple as crystal distribution in a mining fleet, you need to give up yield for the convenience of using a mackinaw.

If I ever go back to mining and this is the system in place, then yes. it's a perfectly viable system. Given some practice, the preparation time for scanning a grav site and getting the crystal stock in order would be a matter of minutes. As I've said, I feel the panic this has induced among the miners in this thread comes from a lack of imagination.

Congrats on being clueless about mining and not knowing anything.