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Reduce the lp payout for fw missions

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#21 - 2012-08-01 15:45:30 UTC
BolsterBomb wrote:
Do you even know what we fly?

People fly t1 frigs because they are broke dude. You think us FW guys want to stay in BC and below. Most people fly these because of isk issues not because they dont want to.

And for the record, you do not billions a day. You must wait until the proper time for the LP dump and then you have to fight everyone crashing the market at the same time. FW LP is a sit and wait game where 00 missions and all the other activities pay immediately.

Im still sitting on a ton of faction ships that I will not sell because the market is crap right now.


I agree with Bolsterbomb. I fly T1 frigates because I don't have an endless supply of FACTION SHIPS to fly. Instead, I try to sell my endless supply of FACTION SHIPS on the market. Unfortunately, they can't sell because I want a better return on my investment than I can get from the current market. Therefore I fly T1 frigs. Afterall, I'm broke. Roll


Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#22 - 2012-08-01 15:52:12 UTC
FW is purrrfect as is.

nom nom

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#23 - 2012-08-01 16:37:02 UTC
Garr Earthbender wrote:
I wanna make isk and PVP a ton. So I play FW. I am going to be able to make about 2-5 bill a month from plexing. Also, I get to chose whether to be bored spinning a button, or fight. I chose to spin a button for a week, then PVP the other 3. I like it.

FW is fine. I was never able to make isk before (didn't want to train for 1 specific ship to do lvl 4 FW missions} and I can now. If I put my nose to the grindstone, I should be rewarded.



I agree with you. This proposal is not one in which I hope to nerf fw income. Not at all. I think once ccp addresses the gunless 2 day alts running plexes the overall income from faction war will be fine.

This proposal is really about the balance between income from plexes and income from missions. I gave reasons why I think the system should favor plexing as a means to getting lp in my original post. It is for those reasons I propose that ccp nerf missions when they correct the plexing problems.

This proposal assumes ccp will correct the gunless 2 day alts. It assumes that ccp will implement changes to make plexing a pvp activity. If that happens, the balance will be too much in favor of missions.

Right now I think I can make more isk running missions than I can plexing. (but yeah its close and the alts are cheaper and less skilled. So I am not saying its a big deal now.) However, If they make plexing the pvp activity it should be, there will be a huge disparity between mission running and plexing.

Right now I run plexes with an eye toward pvp. I have made about 1 mill lp doing that since inferno came out. In that time I lost a few billion in isk due to pvp. I can't run major plexes because the rats do too much damage and ruin any pvp opportunities I may have. So I run mostly minor plexes and an occasional medium plex.

I know that if I wanted to to run missions I could make that much in a day with minimal losses. Indeed I made that much minmatar lp in a day with minimal losses. For the reasons I gave in my op I think plexing should be the preferred means of isk making. And that is why I propose a nerf to missions. (and yeah mainly level 4 missions) They can buff plexing payouts instead I guess, it doesn't really matter.

And I don't care when they do this. It’s not to benefit me. I have characters that can run missions in all the militias.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-08-01 16:38:16 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
BolsterBomb wrote:
Do you even know what we fly?

People fly t1 frigs because they are broke dude. You think us FW guys want to stay in BC and below. Most people fly these because of isk issues not because they dont want to.

And for the record, you do not billions a day. You must wait until the proper time for the LP dump and then you have to fight everyone crashing the market at the same time. FW LP is a sit and wait game where 00 missions and all the other activities pay immediately.

Im still sitting on a ton of faction ships that I will not sell because the market is crap right now.


I agree with Bolsterbomb. I fly T1 frigates because I don't have an endless supply of FACTION SHIPS to fly. Instead, I try to sell my endless supply of FACTION SHIPS on the market. Unfortunately, they can't sell because I want a better return on my investment than I can get from the current market. Therefore I fly T1 frigs. Afterall, I'm broke. Roll




I was using this as an example troll, let me change it.

I have a supply of implants that I cant sell..............zzzzzzz

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation

chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#25 - 2012-08-01 17:58:35 UTC
BolsterBomb wrote:

People fly t1 frigs because they are broke dude. You think us FW guys want to stay in BC and below.


I fly t1 frigs (<3 Merlins) and destroyers for a lot of reasons, NONE of them is because I am broke.

a) Frigs can get into any plex size so you don't see a destroyer in a minor and then be sad because you can't go fight him
b) Frigs can travel without much fear of being caught at gate camps, unlike something larger
c) More people are willing to engage me in a Merlin than say, a drake. (or an SFI, I have a stack of 15 unfitted sitting in my hangar and a few more fitted).
d) I can fight in plexes where logi and falcon's cannot enter (I hate logi more than falcons, they are the bane of solo/small gang pvper).

It is NOT because I am broke. At this point I think I've got around 12B in my personal wallet and ~ 100B in assets.

And this is why I love FW: Pre-inferno when the Caldari had dried up I flew nothing but a drake so I could go gcc under gateguns (since pretty much all the targets were neutral). Post inferno I was able to fly frigs and destroyers again.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#26 - 2012-08-01 17:59:20 UTC
BolsterBomb wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
BolsterBomb wrote:
Do you even know what we fly?

People fly t1 frigs because they are broke dude. You think us FW guys want to stay in BC and below. Most people fly these because of isk issues not because they dont want to.

And for the record, you do not billions a day. You must wait until the proper time for the LP dump and then you have to fight everyone crashing the market at the same time. FW LP is a sit and wait game where 00 missions and all the other activities pay immediately.

Im still sitting on a ton of faction ships that I will not sell because the market is crap right now.


I agree with Bolsterbomb. I fly T1 frigates because I don't have an endless supply of FACTION SHIPS to fly. Instead, I try to sell my endless supply of FACTION SHIPS on the market. Unfortunately, they can't sell because I want a better return on my investment than I can get from the current market. Therefore I fly T1 frigs. Afterall, I'm broke. Roll




I was using this as an example troll, let me change it.

I have a supply of implants that I cant sell..............zzzzzzz

Bait taken. Big smile
Generals4
#27 - 2012-08-01 18:05:13 UTC
BolsterBomb wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
BolsterBomb wrote:
Do you even know what we fly?

People fly t1 frigs because they are broke dude. You think us FW guys want to stay in BC and below. Most people fly these because of isk issues not because they dont want to.

And for the record, you do not billions a day. You must wait until the proper time for the LP dump and then you have to fight everyone crashing the market at the same time. FW LP is a sit and wait game where 00 missions and all the other activities pay immediately.

Im still sitting on a ton of faction ships that I will not sell because the market is crap right now.


I agree with Bolsterbomb. I fly T1 frigates because I don't have an endless supply of FACTION SHIPS to fly. Instead, I try to sell my endless supply of FACTION SHIPS on the market. Unfortunately, they can't sell because I want a better return on my investment than I can get from the current market. Therefore I fly T1 frigs. Afterall, I'm broke. Roll




I was using this as an example troll, let me change it.

I have a supply of implants that I cant sell..............zzzzzzz


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