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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#1 - 2012-08-01 13:45:54 UTC
Ok ... i know my fanclub is big and strong, however yesterday come to my mind combination of things which might change the FW farmerville game a bit (some of them were mentioned)

Already mentioned:

1) Timer reset - if u leave the timer buble, timer will reset. Requires commitment.
2) Rat killing - if there are rats in plex, timer is not running (or running slower)

Maybe stupid idea:

1)LPs for rats - plex lps are distributed 50/50 to timer and rats (pve motivation to stop running the **** in stabed/gunless spinners)
2) Rats web and paint and maybe some scrams(all races) - **** the speedtankers - make it challenging. And give drones to rats so Gals can send NPC hobbies to frigs.
3) Kills in plexes double or tripple the lp gains and have some(?) impact on timers
4) Kills in system have limited impact on plex spawns
5) Kills in systems have impact on faction navy spawns (some shiny loots) - just and idea ... did not get it through properly.


Lets SMACK IT!

Have some other ideas, but they are too fresh.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#2 - 2012-08-01 14:06:12 UTC
FarmVille 2.0...

I agree that FW is completely ******.

But with every release CCP just removes one ISK faucet and makes a new one...

...
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#3 - 2012-08-01 15:02:38 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
FarmVille 2.0...

I agree that FW is completely ******.

But with every release CCP just removes one ISK faucet and makes a new one...


well I am not sure if my ideas can correct it ... but at least they can push people to shoot things ....


I understand some people play the game for pve (kinda), but what is really ******** are stabed gunless t1 frigs spinning the button in space to make isk.
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-08-01 15:08:21 UTC
Good post HS.

I posted this thread in feedback last night. Agree or disagree, I don't care. Just please everyone go post something so perhaps they will pay attention. :

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=139185&find=unread

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#5 - 2012-08-01 15:08:30 UTC
If you are so concerned about stabbed gunless frigs farming LP then crash the plex they are in. But wait, that would require you to stop offensive plexing to do so.

SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN!! http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schalac
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#6 - 2012-08-01 15:11:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Hidden Snake
Schalac wrote:
If you are so concerned about stabbed gunless frigs farming LP then crash the plex they are in. But wait, that would require you to stop offensive plexing to do so.



well i kinda have problem catching them .... as they are not afk .... they usually warp away :)

alfa thrashers are kinda best :)

why u mad about me doing both off and def plexing? U FARMER!!!! ..... Villagers take the forks and torches and kill THE FARMER!



.... or maybe just member of my fanclub .... thnx for bump
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#7 - 2012-08-01 15:13:11 UTC
Someone either doesn't understand what an "ISK Faucet" is or doesn't understand how Factional Warfare is actually an "ISK Sink".

Or both.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#8 - 2012-08-01 15:16:13 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Someone either doesn't understand what an "ISK Faucet" is or doesn't understand how Factional Warfare is actually an "ISK Sink".

Or both.



huh .... FW is definitely not isk sink (maybe for noobs or Amarrs) now.
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-08-01 15:19:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrett
Xuixien wrote:
Someone either doesn't understand what an "ISK Faucet" is or doesn't understand how Factional Warfare is actually an "ISK Sink".

Or both.


It can still be both a faucet and sink while requiring plexing ships with guns. Even Highsec mission runners, incursions, and exploration require you to shoot something.

It's broken.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#10 - 2012-08-01 15:21:11 UTC
Hrett wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Someone either doesn't understand what an "ISK Faucet" is or doesn't understand how Factional Warfare is actually an "ISK Sink".

Or both.


It can still be both a faucet and sink while requiring plexing ships with guns. Even Highsec mission runners, incursions, and exploration require you to shoot something.

It's broken.



yeah .... my main point was to force people to act to gain .... not to spin (however this idea is quite old in FW)
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#11 - 2012-08-01 15:22:43 UTC
FW is purrfect as is. Big smile

nom nom
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#12 - 2012-08-01 15:33:05 UTC
Alright, I'll clear up the general ignorance ITT regarding "ISK Faucet" and "ISK Sink".

EVE has such a strong economy, even after almost 10 years of up-time, due to something the developers have implemented called "ISK Balance". There are three components to this: ISK Facuets, the general "ISK Pool", and ISK Sinks. ISK Faucets add ISK to the game (the general "ISK Pool") and ISK Sinks remove ISK.

Now, ISK Faucets create ISK that didn't exist in the game before. Explanation in link provided.

ISK Sinks remove ISK from the game. Explanation in link provided.

Factional Warfare is an ISK Sink because it permanently removes ISK from the game via the LP store - items cost ISK to purchase, and this ISK vanishes to eternity.

You're confusing "ISK redistribution" (ie, the Market) with "ISK creation" (ie, ISK Facuets).

The more you know.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#13 - 2012-08-01 15:48:59 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3rhQc666Sg

Xuixien wrote:


The more you know.

nom nom
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-08-01 15:50:09 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Alright, I'll clear up the general ignorance ITT regarding "ISK Faucet" and "ISK Sink".

EVE has such a strong economy, even after almost 10 years of up-time, due to something the developers have implemented called "ISK Balance". There are three components to this: ISK Facuets, the general "ISK Pool", and ISK Sinks. ISK Faucets add ISK to the game (the general "ISK Pool") and ISK Sinks remove ISK.

Now, ISK Faucets create ISK that didn't exist in the game before. Explanation in link provided.

ISK Sinks remove ISK from the game. Explanation in link provided.

Factional Warfare is an ISK Sink because it permanently removes ISK from the game via the LP store - items cost ISK to purchase, and this ISK vanishes to eternity.

You're confusing "ISK redistribution" (ie, the Market) with "ISK creation" (ie, ISK Facuets).

The more you know.


It is Botha faucet and a sink (mission rewards and LP purchases). Neither of those have anything to do with the fact that people who earn LP from plexing should be required to fit guns to their ships and/or be at their keyboard.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#15 - 2012-08-01 15:54:31 UTC
Hrett wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Alright, I'll clear up the general ignorance ITT regarding "ISK Faucet" and "ISK Sink".

EVE has such a strong economy, even after almost 10 years of up-time, due to something the developers have implemented called "ISK Balance". There are three components to this: ISK Facuets, the general "ISK Pool", and ISK Sinks. ISK Faucets add ISK to the game (the general "ISK Pool") and ISK Sinks remove ISK.

Now, ISK Faucets create ISK that didn't exist in the game before. Explanation in link provided.

ISK Sinks remove ISK from the game. Explanation in link provided.

Factional Warfare is an ISK Sink because it permanently removes ISK from the game via the LP store - items cost ISK to purchase, and this ISK vanishes to eternity.

You're confusing "ISK redistribution" (ie, the Market) with "ISK creation" (ie, ISK Facuets).

The more you know.


It is Botha faucet and a sink (mission rewards and LP purchases). Neither of those have anything to do with the fact that people who earn LP from plexing should be required to fit guns to their ships and/or be at their keyboard.


Yes. Missions are an ISK Faucet. However overall FW is not. And while this doesn't have anything to do with your opinions on plexing, it does demonstrate that you are woefully ignorant about basic EVE concepts.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-08-01 16:06:47 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Hrett wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Alright, I'll clear up the general ignorance ITT regarding "ISK Faucet" and "ISK Sink".

EVE has such a strong economy, even after almost 10 years of up-time, due to something the developers have implemented called "ISK Balance". There are three components to this: ISK Facuets, the general "ISK Pool", and ISK Sinks. ISK Faucets add ISK to the game (the general "ISK Pool") and ISK Sinks remove ISK.

Now, ISK Faucets create ISK that didn't exist in the game before. Explanation in link provided.

ISK Sinks remove ISK from the game. Explanation in link provided.

Factional Warfare is an ISK Sink because it permanently removes ISK from the game via the LP store - items cost ISK to purchase, and this ISK vanishes to eternity.

You're confusing "ISK redistribution" (ie, the Market) with "ISK creation" (ie, ISK Facuets).

The more you know.


It is Botha faucet and a sink (mission rewards and LP purchases). Neither of those have anything to do with the fact that people who earn LP from plexing should be required to fit guns to their ships and/or be at their keyboard.


Yes. Missions are an ISK Faucet. However overall FW is not. And while this doesn't have anything to do with your opinions on plexing, it does demonstrate that you are woefully ignorant about basic EVE concepts.



Hmmm. So you admit I am right about it being both a faucet and a sink and am still woefully ignorant about it being both a faucet and sink? You also admit that whole point is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. So why even bring it up? What are you? Some kind of space-lawyer?

I am also admittedly ignorant about the basic eve concepts of: mining, industrial production, star base construction, PI and well the list goes on.

Regardless, none of those have anything to do with gunless skilless alts farming plexes.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#17 - 2012-08-01 16:17:52 UTC
Hrett wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Hrett wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Alright, I'll clear up the general ignorance ITT regarding "ISK Faucet" and "ISK Sink".

EVE has such a strong economy, even after almost 10 years of up-time, due to something the developers have implemented called "ISK Balance". There are three components to this: ISK Facuets, the general "ISK Pool", and ISK Sinks. ISK Faucets add ISK to the game (the general "ISK Pool") and ISK Sinks remove ISK.

Now, ISK Faucets create ISK that didn't exist in the game before. Explanation in link provided.

ISK Sinks remove ISK from the game. Explanation in link provided.

Factional Warfare is an ISK Sink because it permanently removes ISK from the game via the LP store - items cost ISK to purchase, and this ISK vanishes to eternity.

You're confusing "ISK redistribution" (ie, the Market) with "ISK creation" (ie, ISK Facuets).

The more you know.


It is Botha faucet and a sink (mission rewards and LP purchases). Neither of those have anything to do with the fact that people who earn LP from plexing should be required to fit guns to their ships and/or be at their keyboard.


Yes. Missions are an ISK Faucet. However overall FW is not. And while this doesn't have anything to do with your opinions on plexing, it does demonstrate that you are woefully ignorant about basic EVE concepts.



Hmmm. So you admit I am right about it being both a faucet and a sink and am still woefully ignorant about it being both a faucet and sink? You also admit that whole point is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. So why even bring it up? What are you? Some kind of space-lawyer?

I am also admittedly ignorant about the basic eve concepts of: mining, industrial production, star base construction, PI and well the list goes on.

Regardless, none of those have anything to do with gunless skilless alts farming plexes.


No, you weren't right about anything. You claimed FW was an "ISK Faucet". You were wrong. The fact is right now FW is one of the biggest ISK Sinks in the game. You couldn't have been more wrong if you tried. You don't have to admit you were wrong, but really, you'd save more face by keeping your mouth shut than trying to argue about it.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#18 - 2012-08-01 16:55:10 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Hrett wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Hrett wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Alright, I'll clear up the general ignorance ITT regarding "ISK Faucet" and "ISK Sink".

EVE has such a strong economy, even after almost 10 years of up-time, due to something the developers have implemented called "ISK Balance". There are three components to this: ISK Facuets, the general "ISK Pool", and ISK Sinks. ISK Faucets add ISK to the game (the general "ISK Pool") and ISK Sinks remove ISK.

Now, ISK Faucets create ISK that didn't exist in the game before. Explanation in link provided.

ISK Sinks remove ISK from the game. Explanation in link provided.

Factional Warfare is an ISK Sink because it permanently removes ISK from the game via the LP store - items cost ISK to purchase, and this ISK vanishes to eternity.

You're confusing "ISK redistribution" (ie, the Market) with "ISK creation" (ie, ISK Facuets).

The more you know.


It is Botha faucet and a sink (mission rewards and LP purchases). Neither of those have anything to do with the fact that people who earn LP from plexing should be required to fit guns to their ships and/or be at their keyboard.


Yes. Missions are an ISK Faucet. However overall FW is not. And while this doesn't have anything to do with your opinions on plexing, it does demonstrate that you are woefully ignorant about basic EVE concepts.



Hmmm. So you admit I am right about it being both a faucet and a sink and am still woefully ignorant about it being both a faucet and sink? You also admit that whole point is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. So why even bring it up? What are you? Some kind of space-lawyer?

I am also admittedly ignorant about the basic eve concepts of: mining, industrial production, star base construction, PI and well the list goes on.

Regardless, none of those have anything to do with gunless skilless alts farming plexes.


No, you weren't right about anything. You claimed FW was an "ISK Faucet". You were wrong. The fact is right now FW is one of the biggest ISK Sinks in the game. You couldn't have been more wrong if you tried. You don't have to admit you were wrong, but really, you'd save more face by keeping your mouth shut than trying to argue about it.


sigh

troll posts are this way >>>>>


if u want to bash people enjoy somewhere else ....
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#19 - 2012-08-01 16:58:37 UTC
Do I have to explain what "trolling" is now, too?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Lugalzagezi666
#20 - 2012-08-01 17:00:29 UTC
Fw was ruined the moment they introduced ******** fw missions that could be solo farmed with uncatchable ship (not to mention for a few months you could reject them without any penalty). Farming lps with few days old alts in gunless t1 frigs is just nail in the coffin for fw. It is nothing like fw used to be 2-3 years ago, ccp just managed to turn it into faction farmfest.

I find this thread interesting, but unless the mechanics will be changed, it is similar to waiting for the mission farmer in smartbombing blackops. You might kill a few of them, but in the end it is waste of your time.
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