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Mineral Market Will Crash
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-08-01 04:20:14 UTC
Once CCP introduces the barge changes there will be a massive influx of cheap minerals to the market.

I for one am hoping to return to the glory days of 30m isk drakes. If only tech prices would drop too.

Your isk is about to have more buying power than you could possibly imagine.
AdmiralJohn
The Unknown Bar and Pub
#2 - 2012-08-01 04:24:43 UTC  |  Edited by: AdmiralJohn
I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-08-01 04:27:19 UTC
So much water, so few buckets.

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Torvin Yulus
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-08-01 04:31:16 UTC
AdmiralJohn wrote:
I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be.


BECAUSE IT WILL BE A LEGITMATE COMPALINT!

CCP is going to nerf the miener income because tthey don't like miners very much. mission runner isk per our is never affected by mineral prices but why is miners?

anbd people tell me that I am contributing to the problem by mining too much and that yield buffs will not make me more money well THAT IS WRONG. Increasing mining yield will get me more money because I bring in more minerals per hour!

im a pubby and im proud
nate555
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-08-01 04:36:18 UTC
In all truth I don't really care. When the change happens I'm just going to build my stuff.
Alara IonStorm
#6 - 2012-08-01 04:36:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:

I for one am hoping to return to the glory days of 30m isk drakes. If only tech prices would drop too.

So do I.

AdmiralJohn wrote:
I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be.

This will make miners unhappy, gankers unhappy and I'm happy Tier 2 Battleships will cost 80mil...

The underlined are all the reasons I support this change. Why? Because I play EVE and victory is just not as sweet if there isn't a bunch of people to point at and laugh while I enjoy getting what I want while doing nothing to earn it.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2012-08-01 04:42:33 UTC
Torvin Yulus wrote:


BECAUSE IT WILL BE A LEGITMATE COMPALINT!

CCP is going to nerf the miener income because tthey don't like miners very much. mission runner isk per our is never affected by mineral prices but why is miners?

anbd people tell me that I am contributing to the problem by mining too much and that yield buffs will not make me more money well THAT IS WRONG. Increasing mining yield will get me more money because I bring in more minerals per hour!


I just suffered a sarcasm overload reading that.
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-08-01 04:44:55 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Torvin Yulus wrote:


BECAUSE IT WILL BE A LEGITMATE COMPALINT!

CCP is going to nerf the miener income because tthey don't like miners very much. mission runner isk per our is never affected by mineral prices but why is miners?

anbd people tell me that I am contributing to the problem by mining too much and that yield buffs will not make me more money well THAT IS WRONG. Increasing mining yield will get me more money because I bring in more minerals per hour!


I just suffered a sarcasm overload reading that.


Based on his other posts I don't think that is sarcasm.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#9 - 2012-08-01 04:44:59 UTC
The only reason gankers are affected is because this will affect our massive RMT bot farms. If trit's gonna become one ISK per unit again, then I'll have to switch my datacenter's worth of PCs to WoW fishing or something.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2012-08-01 04:49:48 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:

Based on his other posts I don't think that is sarcasm.


It must be...
Alara IonStorm
#11 - 2012-08-01 04:50:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

I just suffered a sarcasm overload reading that.

You should buy a pod with a sarcasm serge protector. Also comes with Brain Bleach I.V. for how Goons are destroying the game threads.

Destiny Corrupted wrote:
The only reason gankers are affected is because this will affect our massive RMT bot farms. If trit's gonna become one ISK per unit again, then I'll have to switch my datacenter's worth of PCs to WoW fishing or something.

Good thing CCP isn't an Airline Company because now would be the time you were quietly walked into the backroom for a rubber glove search.
Sarmea Moon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-08-01 04:59:16 UTC
You know the build cost of barges are also going up right? Those same mins will leave the way they came in. Also- when ships get cheap, people get stupid and things go boom for the giggles. More mins leave the market and become insurance cash:)

Also, people who used to mine in hulks will have alternatives that don't mine as much, but are far far safer (don't tell me no one mines in less than a max hulk, because I mine in a tanked gimped hulk).


I snapped up a few retrievers off the market already, along with a couple skiffs and macks.

The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse [lady of commercial virtue]. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.- James Nicoll
Grandpa Bill
Twin Lakes Retirement Home
#13 - 2012-08-01 05:16:14 UTC
Torvin Yulus wrote:
AdmiralJohn wrote:
I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be.


BECAUSE IT WILL BE A LEGITMATE COMPALINT!

CCP is going to nerf the miener income because tthey don't like miners very much. mission runner isk per our is never affected by mineral prices but why is miners?

anbd people tell me that I am contributing to the problem by mining too much and that yield buffs will not make me more money well THAT IS WRONG. Increasing mining yield will get me more money because I bring in more minerals per hour!


This just be my view on what's goin on. Back in the day lumberjacks would head out in the forests with their large saws and whatnot and they would cut down a section of forest. They would use that lumber as the building block to every day items from the houses that we live in to the furniture that we put in them houses. A few years goes by and someone comes up with this their idea that will revolutionize deforesting and one person can do the job of 5 people. This causes more wood, more materials and a chance for more money. But lo and behold before ya know it everyone is doin the same thing and creates an overabundance of materials all over the place. The buyers start to buy cheaper cause everyone's trying to unload their extra materials. So over time the prices goes down and its because materials are obtained quickly with new technology.

Now look at whats commin in the update. Updated ships with new to us technology that will help miners mine all they want. This will create a overabundance of materials that drives the prices down. Its all about supply and demand, when everyone creates a huge supply that over meets the demand, you will drive the prices downward. But is this CCP's fault or is it the miners fault? CCP is giving you the tools to mine more efficiently, what you do with the ore is up to you.

It reminds me of something else I hear around here. I hear that the bigger alliances are sitting on the tech moons and controlling the markets with the materiel's produced and how unfair it is. Look into the real world diamond market and see how many companies are holding Diamonds from the public to drive the demand up. I remember hearing that if they put all the diamonds they were holding on the market, the diamond market would crash because they are no where near as rare as a lot of people believe they are. Good or bad, this can be seen as unfair practice but just like in our game it also happens in the real world.

I really like how you can make comparisons like these in this game to real world happenings. Did the lumberjacks blame the company who created new chainsaws and equipment that made it easier to cut down the trees, or did they blame themselves for cutting down more trees then they used to in a fit of dollar per hour greed?

Grandpa Bill
Pipa Porto
#14 - 2012-08-01 05:18:00 UTC
Go Go Gadget Grandpa Bill!

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Herr Hammer Draken
#15 - 2012-08-01 05:19:30 UTC
Hmm so far the only minerals which are crashing are the null sec minerals. I think it has to do with the nerf of drone poo.


Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-08-01 05:22:29 UTC
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Hmm so far the only minerals which are crashing are the null sec minerals. I think it has to do with the nerf of drone poo.




Maybe because the mining barge changes haven't hit tranq yet.
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-08-01 05:25:38 UTC
Grandpa Bill wrote:
Torvin Yulus wrote:
AdmiralJohn wrote:
I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be.


BECAUSE IT WILL BE A LEGITMATE COMPALINT!

CCP is going to nerf the miener income because tthey don't like miners very much. mission runner isk per our is never affected by mineral prices but why is miners?

anbd people tell me that I am contributing to the problem by mining too much and that yield buffs will not make me more money well THAT IS WRONG. Increasing mining yield will get me more money because I bring in more minerals per hour!


This just be my view on what's goin on. Back in the day lumberjacks would head out in the forests with their large saws and whatnot and they would cut down a section of forest. They would use that lumber as the building block to every day items from the houses that we live in to the furniture that we put in them houses. A few years goes by and someone comes up with this their idea that will revolutionize deforesting and one person can do the job of 5 people. This causes more wood, more materials and a chance for more money. But lo and behold before ya know it everyone is doin the same thing and creates an overabundance of materials all over the place. The buyers start to buy cheaper cause everyone's trying to unload their extra materials. So over time the prices goes down and its because materials are obtained quickly with new technology.

Now look at whats commin in the update. Updated ships with new to us technology that will help miners mine all they want. This will create a overabundance of materials that drives the prices down. Its all about supply and demand, when everyone creates a huge supply that over meets the demand, you will drive the prices downward. But is this CCP's fault or is it the miners fault? CCP is giving you the tools to mine more efficiently, what you do with the ore is up to you.

It reminds me of something else I hear around here. I hear that the bigger alliances are sitting on the tech moons and controlling the markets with the materiel's produced and how unfair it is. Look into the real world diamond market and see how many companies are holding Diamonds from the public to drive the demand up. I remember hearing that if they put all the diamonds they were holding on the market, the diamond market would crash because they are no where near as rare as a lot of people believe they are. Good or bad, this can be seen as unfair practice but just like in our game it also happens in the real world.

I really like how you can make comparisons like these in this game to real world happenings. Did the lumberjacks blame the company who created new chainsaws and equipment that made it easier to cut down the trees, or did they blame themselves for cutting down more trees then they used to in a fit of dollar per hour greed?


Well said.

TL;DR version: it's not the new technology (mining ships) that will crash the market. It's the over abundance of greedy ISK per hour miners that will flood the market, causing the market crash.

James315 for CSM 8!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2012-08-01 05:25:53 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Hmm so far the only minerals which are crashing are the null sec minerals. I think it has to do with the nerf of drone poo.




Maybe because the mining barge changes haven't hit tranq yet.


Dont you be using logic now. This is a mining thread afterall.
Herr Hammer Draken
#19 - 2012-08-01 05:28:24 UTC
Grandpa Bill wrote:
Torvin Yulus wrote:
AdmiralJohn wrote:
I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be.


BECAUSE IT WILL BE A LEGITMATE COMPALINT!

CCP is going to nerf the miener income because tthey don't like miners very much. mission runner isk per our is never affected by mineral prices but why is miners?

anbd people tell me that I am contributing to the problem by mining too much and that yield buffs will not make me more money well THAT IS WRONG. Increasing mining yield will get me more money because I bring in more minerals per hour!


This just be my view on what's goin on. Back in the day lumberjacks would head out in the forests with their large saws and whatnot and they would cut down a section of forest. They would use that lumber as the building block to every day items from the houses that we live in to the furniture that we put in them houses. A few years goes by and someone comes up with this their idea that will revolutionize deforesting and one person can do the job of 5 people. This causes more wood, more materials and a chance for more money. But lo and behold before ya know it everyone is doin the same thing and creates an overabundance of materials all over the place. The buyers start to buy cheaper cause everyone's trying to unload their extra materials. So over time the prices goes down and its because materials are obtained quickly with new technology.

Now look at whats commin in the update. Updated ships with new to us technology that will help miners mine all they want. This will create a overabundance of materials that drives the prices down. Its all about supply and demand, when everyone creates a huge supply that over meets the demand, you will drive the prices downward. But is this CCP's fault or is it the miners fault? CCP is giving you the tools to mine more efficiently, what you do with the ore is up to you.

It reminds me of something else I hear around here. I hear that the bigger alliances are sitting on the tech moons and controlling the markets with the materiel's produced and how unfair it is. Look into the real world diamond market and see how many companies are holding Diamonds from the public to drive the demand up. I remember hearing that if they put all the diamonds they were holding on the market, the diamond market would crash because they are no where near as rare as a lot of people believe they are. Good or bad, this can be seen as unfair practice but just like in our game it also happens in the real world.

I really like how you can make comparisons like these in this game to real world happenings. Did the lumberjacks blame the company who created new chainsaws and equipment that made it easier to cut down the trees, or did they blame themselves for cutting down more trees then they used to in a fit of dollar per hour greed?


Except if the demand rises as fast as the supply does. I am thinking this move might create a more lasting player base, along with dust514 we may see a rapid and sustained growth for EVE in which case the demand for those minerals may stay ahead of supply. Your story is assuming the demand stays the same or goes down. As CCP revamps the sumer rebalance they also have the opportunity to increase the building minerals used in the construction of those ships. To place even more demand upon the supply.

The only sure thing in eve is change will happen.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Nyreanya
Serenity Labs
#20 - 2012-08-01 05:34:07 UTC
If only there was a 'Market Discussions' forum where people could have disucssions about the market, minerals, and pricing.
Oh wait...

[/sarcasm]
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