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Logistics cap bonuses to carriers
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Andy Landen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-08-01 04:04:01 UTC
Bringing carriers more in-line with logistics ships, the addition of a 15% reduction in cap requirements of RR and cap transfer per carrier level is proposed.

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Hatsumi Kobayashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-08-01 04:16:31 UTC
Not needed.

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#3 - 2012-08-01 04:23:51 UTC
I think they should boost the Nidhoggur's RR bonus to be 10%/level to help it make up for it's incredible lack of tank. I can't convince anyone to let me drop a max skill triage Niddy when there's a level 3 trained Archon around. :(

-Liang

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Andy Landen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-08-01 06:27:18 UTC
Definitely useful.

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Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#5 - 2012-08-01 09:11:14 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
I think they should boost the Nidhoggur's RR bonus to be 10%/level to help it make up for it's incredible lack of tank. I can't convince anyone to let me drop a max skill triage Niddy when there's a level 3 trained Archon around. :(

-Liang



I think its rep bonus should apply to self reps, then it would be useful at least in Triage.

@OP carriers do not need cap reduction bonuses, half the strategies and skill behind Cap based warfare is capacitor management and distribution, making that easier would not be beneficial.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-08-01 10:10:14 UTC
train T2 triage, same thing

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Andy Landen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-08-01 12:34:58 UTC
The bonus would affect cap warfare for sure, I agree. Following the analogy with subcap logistics, it makes sense that there also be cap nuets. It is funny that carriers have fewer high slots than subcap logistics. Usually bigger ships have same number or more than their smaller counterparts.

Do we need to explain about the limitations of triage and why (in its current form) it is almost never an answer to any question involving traditional logistics spider tanking?

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Lucious Shakiel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-08-01 15:42:37 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
I think they should boost the Nidhoggur's RR bonus to be 10%/level to help it make up for it's incredible lack of tank. I can't convince anyone to let me drop a max skill triage Niddy when there's a level 3 trained Archon around. :(

-Liang



Or, just give it some tank
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#9 - 2012-08-01 16:18:36 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
train T2 triage, same thing


Ed: Are you talking about the difference between a T1 traige and a t2 triage mod?

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#10 - 2012-08-01 16:20:22 UTC
Danny John-Peter wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
I think they should boost the Nidhoggur's RR bonus to be 10%/level to help it make up for it's incredible lack of tank. I can't convince anyone to let me drop a max skill triage Niddy when there's a level 3 trained Archon around. :(

-Liang



I think its rep bonus should apply to self reps, then it would be useful at least in Triage.

@OP carriers do not need cap reduction bonuses, half the strategies and skill behind Cap based warfare is capacitor management and distribution, making that easier would not be beneficial.


I could go for a 7.5% rep local rep bonus. It'd make the Niddy's niche almost solely triage, but that'd be fine for me.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Lucious Shakiel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-08-01 17:43:34 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Danny John-Peter wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
I think they should boost the Nidhoggur's RR bonus to be 10%/level to help it make up for it's incredible lack of tank. I can't convince anyone to let me drop a max skill triage Niddy when there's a level 3 trained Archon around. :(

-Liang



I think its rep bonus should apply to self reps, then it would be useful at least in Triage.

@OP carriers do not need cap reduction bonuses, half the strategies and skill behind Cap based warfare is capacitor management and distribution, making that easier would not be beneficial.


I could go for a 7.5% rep local rep bonus. It'd make the Niddy's niche almost solely triage, but that'd be fine for me.

-Liang



I am a bit inexperienced at cap warfare, but actually sounds like a good idea. Since a triaged carrier can't receive remote reps, the natural superiority of a resist bonus is lessened. It still wouldn't have the EHP of some other carriers, but it doesn't matter if hit with a DD.
chris elliot
Treasury Department
Plug N Play
#12 - 2012-08-02 19:53:14 UTC
Someone needs to stop being lazy and learn to manage their cap better instead of crying at CCP to fix their laziness. *looks at OP*

Quote:


Do we need to explain about the limitations of triage and why (in its current form) it is almost never an answer to any question involving traditional logistics spider tanking?



Play in wormholes a lot do you?

Ever bothered to watch the R&K videos about carrier spider tanking have you?

Bothered to try it in game yet, eh? Or just enjoying the cheese with your whine?
Andy Landen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-08-03 01:11:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Andy Landen
chris elliot wrote:
Someone needs to stop being lazy and learn to manage their cap better instead of crying at CCP to fix their laziness. *looks at OP*

Guess Chris has never been a traditional sub-cap logistics pilot. He is calling every sub-cap combat logistics pilot in Eve lazy because they like their logistics cap bonuses enough to train logistics to 4 or 5. Real logi pilots would have no issue with the cap bonuses and spider tanking mechanics because they use them effectively every day.

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Hatsumi Kobayashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-08-03 07:53:24 UTC
Andy Landen wrote:
chris elliot wrote:
Someone needs to stop being lazy and learn to manage their cap better instead of crying at CCP to fix their laziness. *looks at OP*

Guess Chris has never been a traditional sub-cap logistics pilot. He is calling every sub-cap combat logistics pilot in Eve lazy because they like their logistics cap bonuses enough to train logistics to 4 or 5. Real logi pilots would have no issue with the cap bonuses and spider tanking mechanics because they use them effectively every day.


What part of "not needed" do you not get?

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Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#15 - 2012-08-03 12:59:50 UTC
Andy Landen wrote:
chris elliot wrote:
Someone needs to stop being lazy and learn to manage their cap better instead of crying at CCP to fix their laziness. *looks at OP*

Guess Chris has never been a traditional sub-cap logistics pilot. He is calling every sub-cap combat logistics pilot in Eve lazy because they like their logistics cap bonuses enough to train logistics to 4 or 5. Real logi pilots would have no issue with the cap bonuses and spider tanking mechanics because they use them effectively every day.



Well, that really doesnt work in the real world, while carriers have thousands of units of cap buffer allowing adjustments to be made, cap broadcasts to be filled before it becomes and issue, Logistics do not have such a thing, without there bonuses they would cap out in seconds and be pretty much useless.

TLDR, Capital cap management works because of the massive cap buffer involved on capital ships, giving time for adjustments to be made etc, sub cap Logies, dont have that luxury.

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Also, somebody needs to make a F&I thread about a self rep bonus for the Niddy
Andy Landen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-08-03 13:00:31 UTC
Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote:
*Reads x.
*Makes unilateral judgement y.
*Sees discussion z and quotes it.
*Assumes that y was not understood and asks what part of it was not understood.

*Scratches head. huh? Shocked Some people are quite a piece of work. Roll Back to real discussions. How about you talk about the logistics bonuses of logistics ships and whether those routinely used mechanics are need or not?

"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." Albert Einstein 
chris elliot
Treasury Department
Plug N Play
#17 - 2012-08-03 18:58:58 UTC
Confirming OP is just plain stupid.

1/10 for the troll sir.
Andy Landen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-08-04 17:31:23 UTC
chris elliot wrote:
Confirming OP is just plain stupid.

1/10 for the troll sir.

Does a pilot feel trolled for talking about logistics bonuses? If you agree with logistics bonuses, talk about the application of logistics bonuses to carriers vs cruisers. If there is resistance because the RR at the carrier scale is bigger, then by the same argument dreads should not get damage bonuses because their guns are bigger. I think logistics capacitor bonuses should be applied to carriers as well.

"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." Albert Einstein