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European Gun Laws: Welcome to America!
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stoicfaux
#1 - 2012-07-31 17:31:12 UTC
For those of you who prefer Europe's tight gun laws, you may want to do some proactive legislation. However, banning 3D printers outright will probably put Europe at a competitive disadvantage.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/133514-the-worlds-first-3d-printed-gun
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In short, this means that people without gun licenses — or people who have had their licenses revoked — could print their own lower receiver and build a complete, off-the-books gun.


slashdot commentary:
http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/07/31/1614228/additive-manufacturing-3d-printing-gun-control-and-patent-law

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#2 - 2012-07-31 18:06:58 UTC
That was actually ingenious. It never occurred to me that people with blueprints can just fire up a CNC machine and mill their own gun from scratch.

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stoicfaux
#3 - 2012-07-31 18:30:37 UTC
I think the point is that with plastics, plans downloaded from the internet, and 'cheap' 3d printers it won't be long before the unwashed masses can create all sorts of interesting devices and there's not a lot that can be done to stop, track, or otherwise regulate them, for better or worse. On one hand you will soon be able to print a plastic toy for your kid using the home printer. On the other hand, your kid may decide that printing a Klingon d'k tahg may be more fun.

Kind of like how some police officers have had an adverse reaction to being filmed as cameras and video cams have become almost ubiquitous (i.e. small enough to fit into cell phones.) Except now, any schmuck will be able to get an untraceable gun.



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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#4 - 2012-07-31 19:08:07 UTC
How does the lower receiver make a gun at all untraceable? I'll admit my gun knowledge is a bit limited (how un-Texan of me), but it's not like they're printing the firing pin, barrel, or any of the other mechanisms that actually come in contact with the bullet. THOSE are the parts you need to be able to trace, not the molding that makes it easy to hold.

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#5 - 2012-07-31 19:18:54 UTC
Yeah to my knowledge its the grooves in the rifling that imprint the thumbprint on the bullet, though it's impossible with a .22 since its lead and just shatters upon impact anyways.

My main concern would be the ability to just print an entire gun. That resin is some pretty powerful stuff there. Maybe not so powerful yet to make a spring that can handle the force but for a caliber as small as .22 I think most other parts in the gun can take the pressure with resin.

Jay Leno has been using one of these for a long time now to make one off gears and other parts for his cars that may no longer be manufactured.

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#6 - 2012-07-31 20:13:05 UTC
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#7 - 2012-07-31 20:37:33 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
For those of you who prefer Europe's tight gun laws, you may want to do some proactive legislation. However, banning 3D printers outright will probably put Europe at a competitive disadvantage.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/133514-the-worlds-first-3d-printed-gun
Quote:

In short, this means that people without gun licenses — or people who have had their licenses revoked — could print their own lower receiver and build a complete, off-the-books gun.


slashdot commentary:
http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/07/31/1614228/additive-manufacturing-3d-printing-gun-control-and-patent-law



Why bother? Without a license for it, that weapon is ilegal and thus owning it and being caught means trouble.

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#8 - 2012-07-31 21:07:00 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
For those of you who prefer Europe's tight gun laws, you may want to do some proactive legislation. However, banning 3D printers outright will probably put Europe at a competitive disadvantage.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/133514-the-worlds-first-3d-printed-gun
Quote:

In short, this means that people without gun licenses — or people who have had their licenses revoked — could print their own lower receiver and build a complete, off-the-books gun.


slashdot commentary:
http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/07/31/1614228/additive-manufacturing-3d-printing-gun-control-and-patent-law



Why bother? Without a license for it, that weapon is ilegal and thus owning it and being caught means trouble.



Yeah bad guys don't like playing by the rules. I guess that's why they're called criminals.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-07-31 21:40:38 UTC
Woah, they could make mil spec upper receivers Shocked

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Evil Incarn8
Evil's League of Evil
#10 - 2012-07-31 21:57:27 UTC
ammunition? i want to see a 3d printer create explosives out of thin air
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-07-31 22:01:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Evil Incarn8 wrote:
ammunition? i want to see a 3d printer create explosives out of thin air


Easier to get than the gun

*Also you can make your own black powder, no where near as powerful but can still blow a hole clean through someone

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#12 - 2012-07-31 22:07:43 UTC
Evil Incarn8 wrote:
ammunition? i want to see a 3d printer create explosives out of thin air



PVC pipe and a couple of kitchen cleaning supplies will get you explosives easily. And the best part is all the ingredients are legal.

Like surf said you can make your own black powder but the casing I don't think will work well with the resin, the walls would be too thin.

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MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-07-31 23:32:59 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
That was actually ingenious. It never occurred to me that people with blueprints can just fire up a CNC machine and mill their own gun from scratch.


and yet we are trying to ploice it, won't that make ony the people who don't give a **** about following the law get weapons soon?

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Charles Baker
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-08-01 00:11:24 UTC
Don't see why this is even being brought up, anyone can cobble together a firearm (or at the very least projectile) weapon in their shed.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#15 - 2012-08-01 00:36:45 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
That was actually ingenious. It never occurred to me that people with blueprints can just fire up a CNC machine and mill their own gun from scratch.


and yet we are trying to ploice it, won't that make ony the people who don't give a **** about following the law get weapons soon?



One of my ideals in life is that if you can think of it, chances are somebody else has as well, so more than likely some of the shadier elements have already had a day where they were sitting in a chair wondering if it was possible to create a gun with a 3d printer.

Resin doesn't set off metal detectors.

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#16 - 2012-08-01 01:06:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
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the interesting thing is that the lower receiver — in a legal sense at least — is what actually constitutes a firearm. Without a lower receiver, the gun would not work; thus, the receiver is the actual legally-controlled part.

Sounds pretty easy to "fix". The upper part is not exactly printable, so all you need to do is extend the law to cover the upper parts too.
Who the bloody hell thought to make just the support of the actual weapon illegal but the actual weapon part of the weapon not, anyway ? Isn't that a bit bonkers ?

P.S. It's probably cheaper and faster to build an AK-47 variant in your own garage already anyway.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-08-01 01:23:41 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Quote:
the interesting thing is that the lower receiver — in a legal sense at least — is what actually constitutes a firearm. Without a lower receiver, the gun would not work; thus, the receiver is the actual legally-controlled part.

Sounds pretty easy to "fix". The upper part is not exactly printable, so all you need to do is extend the law to cover the upper parts too.
Who the bloody hell thought to make just the support of the actual weapon illegal but the actual weapon part of the weapon not, anyway ? Isn't that a bit bonkers ?

P.S. It's probably cheaper and faster to build an AK-47 variant in your own garage already anyway.


The upper receiver isn't 1 piece... the M16(A2) including the handguards had over 20 parts to the upper receiver. The A4 has even more. The kicker is that all the parts are harmless by themselves (unless fired at you from a blunderbus) so any half assed lawyer will rip said law to pieces

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#18 - 2012-08-01 03:27:34 UTC
this here tank is just a bunch of harmless pieces, tanks for everyone \o/

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-08-01 03:33:10 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
this here tank is just a bunch of harmless pieces, tanks for everyone \o/


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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#20 - 2012-08-01 03:36:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
stoicfaux wrote:
For those of you who prefer Europe's tight gun laws, you may want to do some proactive legislation. However, banning 3D printers outright will probably put Europe at a competitive disadvantage.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/133514-the-worlds-first-3d-printed-gun
Quote:

In short, this means that people without gun licenses — or people who have had their licenses revoked — could print their own lower receiver and build a complete, off-the-books gun.


slashdot commentary:
http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/07/31/1614228/additive-manufacturing-3d-printing-gun-control-and-patent-law





I think the initial accounts of this were overblown.

A lower receiver was printed. This is the part that houses the trigger group, buffer and spring, and magazine well.

They didn't make an entire gun, and this is not yet possible unless the military has some seriously advanced stuff underground.

In the USA, we have been making AR lowers in our back yards for a long time. it's possible to buy an "80 percent receiver" without paperwork too - it's basically a shape of a receiver that needs to be finish milled and holes drilled (using a template - easy).


Otherwise, a barrel, bolt carrier, upper, still needs to be purchased.



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