Jita Park Speakers Corner

Is it too much to ask for in depth detailed minutes the day after the summits are over?

FYI - From Twitter today:

AFAIK, CSM people aren't paid by your subscription, so ... hmm ... no.

And if you desire to hear excuses then you'll hear excuses, reality be damned. I don't think anyone can change that over the internet, it's hard enough IRL.

I just want to, for once, read about the intent and direction the game is going before it actually happens. Waiting for key people to go on vacation before you get the minutes done is terrible planning. You can say I'm over reacting all you want, but I'm just being practical. No one forced them to take on the task of being a CSM representative. They wanted it. They got it. Volunteer or not; procrastination of this magnitude is never acceptable. Have people in your group/team who do nothing is not acceptable either. Replace them. No rules in place to do so? Make them.

While I do think a procedure for removing bad/useless CSM members is worthy of considering, as I am all for reform and accountability... a couple of counter-points:

* Not sure if any on the current CSM really need it. I think certain factions/individuals like to spread rumors of internal discord in the CSM to devalue it, for whatever reason. (This is not pointed at Poetic necessarily, btw.) Outside of Darius, as far as I can tell the CSM has actually been getting along pretty well. The initial kerfuffle with Issler was seized upon and sensationalized. Even Darius as I understand it isn't as much at odds with this CSM as he was with the last, although as ever doesn't seem to be a team player.

* These are passionate volunteers. It's not their job. They aren't getting paid. (Aside from the trip to Iceland for some of them, and they generally work there, it's not a vacation.) Its understandable if real life interferes with their volunteer duties from time to time (but that should be taken into account later in the next election).

* So far any lost CSM are just lost, no replacements. So if you do get someone removed, its not going free up a spot for someone else to come in. That also could be changed, but is it really feasible?

So the mechanism as it stands is for us to remember and use that knowledge when we vote next time.

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On the timeliness of the Minutes side, I tend to agree. It is important to balance the extra detail with timeliness, since as time passes the detail becomes less relevant. As Poetic pointed out, Seleene and Two Step did a good job on preliminary reports that nearly rose to the level of minutes of the past, and that was a very good thing -- although teasing us with hints of even more insight.

I think most of us understand that there were significant extenuating circumstances to the delay of this year's minutes (largely new CSM, some crazy politics, a lot more data captured at the summit and earlier delays let this run into CCPs vacation time) and so are willing to cut some slack. Hopefully next time they will be able to turn this around quicker.

As much as I am eager to see the minutes and have my own frustrations about them not being ready yet, I very much appreciate the effort the CSM and CCP is going through to raise the bar and improve the process.

Thank you.

I remain hopeful that next summit's minutes can be delivered in a more timely manner.

I think after this last summit's minutes are delivered (and we sift through the now novel length minutes) we can discuss ways to do that as well as the contents, but for the mean time I am content enough to be patient as the minutes wind its way through the last steps before release.

Ok let me ask this. How much of these minutes will still be relevant by the time they come out?

The answer is in this thread, in a post within the first 5 pages, by a CSM member.
You've already been told (Or at least, have the option to find out with no effort on your own).

Should they "reiterate" on their original statement, or should they be spending time on stuff that is more important, either to themselves or to the community through their CSM commitment (Not that those are necessarily mutually exclusive)?

There is also the intro, the table of contents, the index, as well as an afterthought written by Hilmar, but I will leave it up to you to decide whether those are revelant.

CCP Manifest twitter So we only have a day or two left. Everyone better protect their reading glasses from getting scratched or broken. Also will propably be best to do a few eye stretches and warm ups, before the release.