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Awaiting New Minmatar Excuse.

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Salicaz
Verrimus Caelum
#1 - 2012-07-31 16:06:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Salicaz
Pre-Inferno you performed a massive land grab- Then claimed it was your leet pvp.

Just after inferno you took system after system (sorry, the alt army did) due to imbalanced rats..yet..still claimed it was your leet pvp

Before nulli joined you had 19 vunerable systems, this is because no pvper wants to dplex (understandable) and your gunless frig brigade won't do it, and have no nowhere to now plex have left you.

A few months ago you all thought this was immensly funny rolling around in your isk toasting each other about how leet your pvp was whilst being space rich. Working as intended even. Whilst denying it was the hordes of LP farmers dictating the front.

However, now you spend most of your time reallocating assets, the forum noise has stopped. Where is your leet pvp to stop us? Didn't both Hans and Susan claim "we should have fought harder"? Where is your leet pvp?

And for the record, Nulli are like the Americans of WW2. They shortened the conflict a bit, but will still claim they won the war.

So Minmitar, please. Leave your excuses here.
Wenron
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-07-31 16:12:11 UTC
1/10
Salicaz
Verrimus Caelum
#3 - 2012-07-31 16:21:14 UTC
Wenron wrote:
1/10


What this means is "We've ran out, so now we rate you as a troll" Lol
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#4 - 2012-07-31 16:39:14 UTC
Wenron wrote:
1/10


This is 5 worthy, not 1...

The next month shall be very entertaining indeed...

...
Cellethen
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2012-07-31 16:43:18 UTC
Salicaz wrote:
And for the record, Nulli are like the Americans of WW2. They shortened the conflict a bit, but will still claim they won the war.


As if we give a **** beyond the ISK.
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
#6 - 2012-07-31 16:44:44 UTC
*Minmatar
Salicaz
Verrimus Caelum
#7 - 2012-07-31 16:49:11 UTC
Cellethen wrote:
Salicaz wrote:
And for the record, Nulli are like the Americans of WW2. They shortened the conflict a bit, but will still claim they won the war.


As if we give a **** beyond the ISK.


You don't, it's all your wide-eyed fanboi's in militia chat that think you guys are their saviours. Lol
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#8 - 2012-07-31 16:56:12 UTC
Salicaz wrote:
Pre-Inferno you performed a massive land grab- Then claimed it was your leet pvp.

Just after inferno you took system after system (sorry, the alt army did) due to imbalanced rats..yet..still claimed it was your leet pvp

Before nulli joined you had 19 vunerable systems, this is because no pvper wants to dplex (understandable) and your gunless frig brigade won't do it, and have no nowhere to now plex have left you.

A few months ago you all thought this was immensly funny rolling around in your isk toasting each other about how leet your pvp was whilst being space rich. Working as intended even. Whilst denying it was the hordes of LP farmers dictating the front.

However, now you spend most of your time reallocating assets, the forum noise has stopped. Where is your leet pvp to stop us? Didn't both Hans and Susan claim "we should have fought harder"? Where is your leet pvp?

And for the record, Nulli are like the Americans of WW2. They shortened the conflict a bit, but will still claim they won the war.

So Minmitar, please. Leave your excuses here.




I'm not really sure what the "excuses" are meant to be really. Minmatar high water mark was reducing Amarr to 3 systems total after a couple of months of spiking warzone control to tier 5 at will. This in an environment where the Amarr had roughly 50/50 pvp numbers (varying by timezone) and clear superiority in battleship and capital escalation options. (With even elements of our "allied" gallente militia fighting for Amarr when the chips were down.)

To better the Minmatar achievement you need to reduce the TLF to 2 systems and hold it there long enough to do multiple tier 5 cash-outs of your own.

If you are able to take every Minmatar System then yep, I'd be impressed.

But its not a game of childish excuses really - if you can do it - do it. Let achievement in space trump silly forum noise.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Dazz Riiiiiiight
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-07-31 16:56:20 UTC
10/10
I also would like to know why Minmatar are slacking and not getting me to L5 so i can ca$h in on the 2.5Mill LP i stole.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#10 - 2012-07-31 17:11:10 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
Salicaz wrote:
So Minmitar, please. Leave your excuses here.


Being a weird mixture of gal/min, I don't think I've been saying it's due to leet pvp on the minmatar's side that occupancy was staying at T5, and if I was saying it I'd like to see it. I've been on the receiving side of "no interest in pvp plexing alts" long before you could even make LP running plexes.

Having said that - Minmatar was at T5 last night, and you should have seen the carebears in militia chat crying about how they are going to make amarr alts *once the contested status went to 79.8%*. Like seriously, *whaaaaaa we can't hold T5 for more than an hour I'm quitting*. There are a TON of crybabies in the Minmatar militia. No other militia has hit T5. But looking at the lossboards for those pilots they are 0 kill/handful of gunless merlin losses.

One thing though - I will be very interested to see what happens once Amarr starts flipping systems. Will the massive minmatar alt army that is currently in gallente/caldari space move back to amarr to farm plexes there? Or will they give up and switch to the amarr side? Time will tell.

In the meantime, all I can hope to do is slow down Nulli as much as I can so I can prolong how long they stay in militia. It is FANTASTIC to always have the density of targets in every system that Nulli provides.

Still though - Minmatar Militia hits T5, the forums are full of "the Minmatar have fallen". It's hilarious. We haven't even seen if the alt army will start counter swarming flipped systems.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#11 - 2012-07-31 17:11:31 UTC
the current mantra is same than gallente used ( mostly same people anyway so no wonder)

THEY DO NOT CARE !

Plan is to be passive , enemy gets bored and leaves away, so they can again kick ball to empty goal after match and say how cool they are.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#12 - 2012-07-31 17:17:59 UTC
chatgris wrote:
Salicaz wrote:
So Minmitar, please. Leave your excuses here.


Being a weird mixture of gal/min, I don't think I've been saying it's due to leet pvp on the minmatar's side that occupancy was staying at T5, and if I was saying it I'd like to see it. I've been on the receiving side of "no interest in pvp plexing alts" long before you could even make LP running plexes.

Having said that - Minmatar was at T5 last night, and you should have seen the carebears in militia chat crying about how they are going to make amarr alts *once the contested status went to 79.8%*. Like seriously, *whaaaaaa we can't hold T5 for more than an hour I'm quitting*. There are a TON of crybabies in the Minmatar militia. No other militia has hit T5. But looking at the lossboards for those pilots they are 0 kill/handful of gunless merlin losses.

One thing though - I will be very interested to see what happens once Amarr starts flipping systems. Will the massive minmatar alt army that is currently in gallente/caldari space move back to amarr to farm plexes there? Or will they give up and switch to the amarr side? Time will tell.

In the meantime, all I can hope to do is slow down Nulli as much as I can so I can prolong how long they stay in militia. It is FANTASTIC to always have the density of targets in every system that Nulli provides.


Best is to put alts to caldari militia, caldari has best possibilities to make it tier 4 when needed, it is not tier 5 but better than tier1.

Gallente could be an option but if minmatar farmers stop working on caldari area gallente may be in trouble.

Time to move to Caldari militia.
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-07-31 17:21:07 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:

To better the Minmatar achievement you need to reduce the TLF to 2 systems and hold it there long enough to do multiple tier 5 cash-outs of your own.



Nobody has to match/equal anything and it's not really relevant.

The main reason the minmatar managed to stay at T5 for so long is post inferno we were stupid enough to actually try and play the game and fight over systems rather than simply go plex whoring.

The problem with that strategy is it's terrible and doesn't really work due to the half baked mechanics that CCP introduced (thanks Hans) without a huge numbers advantage you simply trade systems and basically make no progress as without people willing to defend what you took (makes no money) you lose a system shortly after taking it.

I can't imagine that the minmatar are going to try and fight system by system because even if a small group like yours wants to give it a go the horde of LP farmers will simply go for the plexing route farming everything up to vulnerable knowing it will let them cash out day with huge wallets sooner rather than later.

Unless CCP change the system so holding systems has value and or defensive plexing makes sense I can see all the systems bouncing from one side to the other unless one side jumps the gun by mistake and flips 50% of the systems and we have a system swapping race tradeoff where things are uncertain for a while until one side 'wins' and then the cycle begins again.

TLDR

CCP killed FW pvp and made it a farming game where only the offensive guy plays.


Also trying to eat so it's a bit rambly and probably doesn't make much sense.
Wenron
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-07-31 17:22:27 UTC
The gunless masses will do what they will. I don't see any reason to encourage them.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#15 - 2012-07-31 17:47:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
Thomas Kreshant wrote:

TLDR

CCP killed FW pvp and made it a farming game where only the offensive guy plays.


Also trying to eat so it's a bit rambly and probably doesn't make much sense.



Good post, actually - loosely following FW after having had a character in it a couple of years ago, I considered putting a character there again, but reconsidered after reading about all the changes.

All that chest beating from either side is quite ridiculous.

Plex Farmers joined Minmatar first because:

- There is bigger demand for Minmatar Mods and Ships
- Offensive plexing can be done in an alt worth barely a couple hours of training.

Now they join Amarr, because they've run out of offensive plexes on the Minmatar side - you need some tanking capailities and a few more days of training, but it's still easier and less skill-intense than running militia missions in a stealth bomber.

Not to mention that every faction warrior in it for the ~gudfites~ appears to have a plexing alt in the opposing militia, whilst moving his main to the other theatre because he can't dock anywhere in his own.



I'm genuinely interested in what CCP/Hans thought these changes would lead to, if not the current situation - it's not like people have not warned about this happening.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Salicaz
Verrimus Caelum
#16 - 2012-07-31 17:50:56 UTC
Large Collidable Object wrote:
Thomas Kreshant wrote:

TLDR

CCP killed FW pvp and made it a farming game where only the offensive guy plays.


Also trying to eat so it's a bit rambly and probably doesn't make much sense.



Good post, actually - loosely following FW after having had a character in it a couple of years ago, I considered putting a character there again, but reconsidered after reading about all the changes.

All that chest beating from either side is quite ridiculous.

Plex Farmers joined Minmatar first because:

- There is bigger demand for Minmatar Mods and Ships
- Offensive plexing can be done in an alt worth barely a couple hours of training.

Now they join Amarr, because they've run out of offensive plexes on the Minmatar side - you need some tanking capailities and a few more days of training, but it's still easier and less skill-intense than running militia missions in a stealth bomber.

Not to mention that every faction warrior in it for the ~gudfites~ appears to have a plexing alt in the opposing militia, whilst moving his main to the other theatre because he can't dock anywhere in his own.



I'm genuinely interested in what CCP/Hans thought these changes would lead to, if not the current situation - it's not like people have not warned about this happening.


Ironically this was CCP "fixing" FW....I really hope they don't try to fix it again.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#17 - 2012-07-31 18:00:11 UTC
Salicaz wrote:
And for the record, Nulli are like the Americans of WW2. They shortened the conflict a bit, but will still claim they won the war.
You make it sound like WBR won WW2 all by yourself.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#18 - 2012-07-31 18:05:18 UTC
Large Collidable Object wrote:
I'm genuinely interested in what CCP/Hans thought these changes would lead to, if not the current situation - it's not like people have not warned about this happening.

All this non-stop fight action sucks donkey balls. What a traveshamockery. Roll
Salicaz
Verrimus Caelum
#19 - 2012-07-31 18:09:34 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Salicaz wrote:
And for the record, Nulli are like the Americans of WW2. They shortened the conflict a bit, but will still claim they won the war.
You make it sound like WBR won WW2 all by yourself.


Where did I give that impression exactly? Where did I mention WBR?
Ezra Tair
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-07-31 18:11:56 UTC
I don't represent anything or one but myself. But if you took it (I hear we lost Kourm), good job. I also hear the Amarrian fleet was somewhere in the 120+ range. But I didn't see it myself. If the system has enough tactical value, like Kourm. I think people will fight (or defensive plex) for it. Otherwise they won't. Time will tell what the warzone looks months from now.
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