Player Features and Ideas Discussion

What if:

- you make local chat beacons (which authenticate, detect and show every player in - LOCAL chat - of the current solar system) to be an upgrade which can be purchased and can be anchored in your newly conquered solar systems

- you need to place more than one of this local chat beacons in a solar systems, in order to have a good coverage so you can detect and authenticate automatically any player in that solar systems. This have some flaws because there will be blind spots where you cannot be detected thus you can "disappear from local chat" as you left the solar system.

- you could scan with your covert ops frigate for some blind spots in a solar system, where you can warp in that area and disappear from local, because the local subspace beacon don't have coverage in certain areas (like behind planets, certain space clouds, etc).

- Black Ops ship will have the native ability to see the coverage of the local chat beacons on map and be able to warp to blind spots in order to disappear from local chat for some serious guerrilla action.

Later Edit:


hmm..
first you scan it and see where is no coverage from the local chat beacons;
then,let's say you send some kind of probe, launched from your probe launcher, you position it where is the blind spot, and you warp at the probe..there i fixed it.

This is definitely the first time this idea had been brought up. A sov upgrade to give you local? That's too original.

Perhaps a forum search wouldn't go amiss...

Yes the sov upgrade has been suggested,

I like the idea of using beacons to interface with that upgrade to create blindspots in the system. That in itself is noteworthy and that is the part of the idea I support, these beacons would need to be destructable. Much like bubbles... also have different sizes to cover different ranges.

As a obvious part of the system only people blue to the owning alliance will have access to this local network. Giving the advantage to the defenders.

Interesting development, I would almost like to see that being a Covops Frigate capability, (either that or they have a role bonus) also make the hack available to everyone in fleet that is present in the system. That way you have to locate the beacon, sneak up on it, successfully hack it, and leave before someone comes by to blow you up.

I could also get behind this, this would allow for covert ops scouts to enter a system and hack the local intel, gather info and cyno in a raiding fleet without the defenders knowing. On the counter side there should be a way for the locals to identify if a beacon has been hacked and allow them to reset it.

I would say that the local chat filter be attatched to high sov level systems as opposed to security status, Strategic Level 4 and 5 systems would be able to filter the local chat to only blues being able to see it without hacking. This way it would be more difficult to run passive raids on systems that have been controled for a long time. Clearly giving the advantage to the defenders.

This sounds like something explained perhaps more easily by metaphor or analogy.

The system is a big room, which is normally dark.
Your upgrade is a light bulb or lamp. (Obviously this assumes the regular local chat we have now to be gone)

Light bulbs are the most obvious things, being the source of light that is reflecting off of everything else. It needs to be on the overview like a cyno beacon or other flagged object.

It needs to be highly vulnerable. Something that a covert ship can remove / disable / destroy in under 30 seconds.
(If the locals don't get the hint they have a problem by it popping, it wasn't doing them any good to begin with)

I am fairly certain the wormhole pilots would not agree with you.

There is more to a good fight than running across someone making horrible choices. People making bad choices in wormholes soon find themselves outside the WH in a med clone.

The people who are cunning or clever tend to have the choice on whether to stay. Quite an effective filter, really.

I am concerned by this.

Why replace local? It's an essential tool for any pilots in Eve. By fundimentally changing it you fundimentally change everything, and create and even bigger barrier to movement from High Sec to Null Sec.

Additionally any update that boosts defense that also doesn't boost offense is something to be avoided. The balance of power in null sec needs to be fluid. Without that then the end game just falls apart.

Your fact does not automatically lead to the conclusions you have stated.

The reality of the situation is that outside of wormholes you encounter more pilots being careless. Outside of fleet vs fleet actions, a significant amount of PvP boils down to opportunistic ganking.

Pilot A screws up, or otherwise creates an opening for pilot B to blow them to pieces. This doesn't make pilot B anything more than the player in the right place at the right time.

By your view, the pilots flying more carefully in a wormhole are being risk averse. I put it that you have the cause and effect backwards here, and it is a case of only the careful pilots end up remaining in the wormhole.
The ones who make mistakes, for whatever reason, either learn to be more careful or give up on the wormhole aspect itself.
WHs are notoriously hard to reship back into afterwards. This makes the cost of failure higher than many other areas.

Perversely, it is almost reminiscent of those reality shows where people stay on islands and such trying to outsurvive each other.

We are now in the part of "nerf local thread" where lots of carebears tell us how pvp works and why nerfing local will only make pvp (something they don't actually do) better.

I do not consider calling someone a carebear an attack. Its just that you play the game different than pvpers. It would be the same thing if I started telling everyone how industry would be better if this or that change were made. (BTW I don't do industry)

There is a reason why so much more pvp happens in null and low sec than in wormholes and local has allot to do with that. Explaining that to someone who doesn't pvp is not a task I am going to take on again. These "nerf local" threads pop up like mushrooms and every time there are people who don't pvp telling us how it will help pvp.