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LvL 4 Gallente Mission boat?
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Grey Noise
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-07-31 01:46:04 UTC
Ok so I just was doing a ton of lvl 3 missions cause I thought thats what I was doing when I left off, and then my friend rejoins eve and tells me we were doing 4s, so now I need to know what ship/fitting I should use for lvl 4s flying gallente ships, drone boat really. Anyone have any solid links or fittings they would share?
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-07-31 02:08:24 UTC
If you want a drone boat, you should look into the dominix.

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Alara IonStorm
#3 - 2012-07-31 02:19:57 UTC
Usually the Dominix with the new 2-3 Drone Damage Modules and 2-3 Drone Tracking Comps using Sentry Drones with Hobgoblins for Frigates. Armor Tanked for Stability and Shield for Damage.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-07-31 02:54:15 UTC
or you cound fly a real ship and use a proteus, or a megathron hull ship.
realistically there arent any gallente ships i would call good at PVE.

proteus is by far the most fun and CAN be used effectively, contrary to popular belief.
note that if you put rails on it, i will find you and hurt you.

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Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#5 - 2012-07-31 03:38:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Kasutra
Before pasting setups...

Do you have T2 large rails? T2 heavies and/or sentries? What is your AWU level?

Jack Miton wrote:
proteus is by far the most fun and CAN be used effectively, contrary to popular belief.

Effectively? Does that mean as effectively as a Navy Dominix/Vindicator/Kronos?

Because I'd love to see a missioning Proteus setup that isn't either crippled by lack of DPS or by having to MWD up each individual rat's nose before applying damage. No sarcasm. I've honestly never been able to put one together.
Grey Noise
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-07-31 03:48:58 UTC
I am 90% sure I can use T2 rails, I can use pretty much ANY drone as well, I have the skills for most builds, just looking for an easy mode drone boat build
Ron Maudieu
#7 - 2012-07-31 05:00:56 UTC
I'd say give the Kronos a try if you mission in serpentis or guristas space. You could get a megathron at first to get a feel for it, but the tank will not be nearly as strong. The dominix is a decent boat in any portion of space really, though I find them to be a bit boring to use.

You could also give the ishtar a go, fit it for some exploration whenever you are burnt out on missions \o/
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#8 - 2012-07-31 05:06:52 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Usually the Dominix with the new 2-3 Drone Damage Modules and 2-3 Drone Tracking Comps using Sentry Drones with Hobgoblins for Frigates. Armor Tanked for Stability and Shield for Damage.


This is your template for a basic armor gank domi. If you still need actual setups I'll dig some out when at the right computer. Investing in a IN/DB/TS/Khanid LAR will make both fitting and tanking much easier.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2012-07-31 05:33:56 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
or you cound fly a real ship and use a proteus, or a megathron hull ship.
realistically there arent any gallente ships i would call good at PVE.

proteus is by far the most fun and CAN be used effectively, contrary to popular belief.
note that if you put rails on it, i will find you and hurt you.


Ishtar is only matched by the Tengu in exploration, easily tied for the best PVE ship in game. Dominix is great for L4 missions, if people really want to waste their sub on such a thing.

I do have a swiss army PVE Proteus... that uses drones and now rails :D I started with blasters, like any sane person would do because ~medium rails~, but when I actually tested rails on sleepers, they worked much better than blasters.


[Proteus, Heresy]

Damage Control II
Corpum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Corpum A-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
Stasis Webifier II

250mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe
Improved Cloaking Device II
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors


Warrior SW-300 x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Warrior II x5
Ogre II x4
Hammerhead II x5

.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-07-31 06:15:51 UTC
Kasutra wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
proteus is by far the most fun and CAN be used effectively, contrary to popular belief.

Effectively? Does that mean as effectively as a Navy Dominix/Vindicator/Kronos?

Because I'd love to see a missioning Proteus setup that isn't either crippled by lack of DPS or by having to MWD up each individual rat's nose before applying damage. No sarcasm. I've honestly never been able to put one together.


last time i was stuck in HS for a stretch i got very, VERY bored and decided to run some missions in my buffer fit PVP proteus with a med rep thrown in for good measure.
it was in no way optimized for PVE, hell i didnt even bother taking the scram off, and while yes, slower than my very old missioning tengu (it's been docked for years) i was getting bounty ticks that were not all that much smaller than what i remember the tengu getting.

ive also used the same proteus for WH PVE and it works great.
it does actually require the pilot to not be a mindless drone like most mission runners and actively pilot tho.

im quite comfortable saying that you can fit out a 6 blaster, MWD proteus that is on par with a lot of other missioning ships.
certainly junk like domis...

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Songbird
#11 - 2012-07-31 10:39:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Songbird
proteus ??? Damn trolls. The only t3 that does good in pve , outside of incursions, is the tengu. Proteus might be good for pvp, that is when it doesn't meet it's hard counters, but for pve it's trash.

Domi though can nowadays spit out 1200 dps at 40 km or so, which is what I call PVE.
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-07-31 11:11:17 UTC
Why not knock it up a notch?

Navy Issue Dominix.

BAM!

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Zicon Shak'ra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-07-31 12:39:26 UTC
Songbird wrote:
proteus ??? Damn trolls. The only t3 that does good in pve , outside of incursions, is the tengu. Proteus might be good for pvp, that is when it doesn't meet it's hard counters, but for pve it's trash.

Domi though can nowadays spit out 1200 dps at 40 km or so, which is what I call PVE.


Confirming that the Tengu is god-like.

Legion with T2 Pulses and Scorch...? Not saying it's as good as a Tengu, but it's certainly not bad at PVE. Plus it's sexy. Neut Legion is nice for PVP as well.

Loki is the jack-of-all-trades, master of none T3. It can do anything, just not as well as a different given T3.

The Proteus' place is tank-n-spank PVP. It is also the best cloaky T3 IMO, as it is less gimped by fitting a cloak than most T3s. It also has awesome point range. And please, dear lord, don't use it in PVE.

Wormholes are cool, m'kay?
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#14 - 2012-07-31 12:58:51 UTC
Zicon Shak'ra wrote:
And please, dear lord, don't use it in PVE.


Since I don't really care much for dear lords, would you enlighten us why we shouldn't use it for PVE?

Proteus does an active tank second to none, and outdamages a Legion at all ranges, while keeping two utility hi slots.

.
Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#15 - 2012-07-31 14:04:45 UTC
Still no Domi fits out? I'll paste some.

Here's one if your return has left your skills rusty and your wallet thin:
[Dominix, Poor bastard]

Large Armor Repairer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Garde II x5


Deals just over 900 dps, most of it in drones.
Is not cap stable, but it should be enough. At least enough to GTFO if everything goes to hell.
It won't like tanking Angels and their explosive damage.
Upgrading the LAR to a faction version will allow you to fit that last gun.


If you're not broke, here's one that I flew the last time I did missions (only now with DDAs instead of magstabs):

[Dominix Navy Issue, Old Fit New Mods]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400
Tracking Computer II
100MN Afterburner II

350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L

Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Large Anti-Kinetic Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Garde II x5


Just over 1000 dps. Has an AB, which can save a bunch of time. Also an extra Omnilink over the first setup.
The Navy Potato costs around 500M these days, the navy LAR around 100M.
The kinetic rig assumes Gallente space, where you're mostly facing either Serpentis or Angels. You may be able to find a more palatable configuration, especially considering that the sentry damage rig is stacking penalized with the DDAs. Replacing both with more nano pumps would make the whole thing tankier. (If you do, you should replace the Magstab with another DDA.)
It has cap issues that need micromanage-ing. Don't forget to turn off that LAR when you don't need it.


And finally, I've been wanting to try a setup like this since Inferno:

[Dominix Navy Issue, New Toys]

Power Diagnostic System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field
Dread Guristas Kinetic Deflection Field
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L

Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I

Garde II x5


Just over 1100 DPS. Huge burst tank, doesn't know what a sustained tank is.
That deadspace booster is only around 110M.
Pimpage in the magstab department pushes the DPS further up (and might allow you to fit another 'stab).
Jack Miton wrote:
last time i was stuck in HS for a stretch i got very, VERY bored and decided to run some missions in my buffer fit PVP proteus with a med rep thrown in for good measure.
it was in no way optimized for PVE, hell i didnt even bother taking the scram off, and while yes, slower than my very old missioning tengu (it's been docked for years) i was getting bounty ticks that were not all that much smaller than what i remember the tengu getting.

ive also used the same proteus for WH PVE and it works great.
it does actually require the pilot to not be a mindless drone like most mission runners and actively pilot tho.

im quite comfortable saying that you can fit out a 6 blaster, MWD proteus that is on par with a lot of other missioning ships.
certainly junk like domis...

Still not seeing fits, or numbers.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-07-31 14:08:12 UTC
Songbird wrote:
proteus ??? Damn trolls. The only t3 that does good in pve , outside of incursions, is the tengu. Proteus might be good for pvp, that is when it doesn't meet it's hard counters, but for pve it's trash.

Domi though can nowadays spit out 1200 dps at 40 km or so, which is what I call PVE.



With the drone damage mods, you can trick out a sentry proteus that matches an ishtar on DPS, has a better tank, and the scanning sub for better scanning.

I still prefer the proteus in the cloaky "let me sneak up behind you and punch you in the face" fit.
Grey Noise
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-08-01 01:29:10 UTC
Well since I already had a domi laying around, I'm gonna try those out and see what I can put together.
Robert Lefcourt
BigPoppaMonkeys
E.B.O.L.A.
#18 - 2012-08-01 09:08:12 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Songbird wrote:
proteus ??? Damn trolls. The only t3 that does good in pve , outside of incursions, is the tengu. Proteus might be good for pvp, that is when it doesn't meet it's hard counters, but for pve it's trash.

Domi though can nowadays spit out 1200 dps at 40 km or so, which is what I call PVE.



With the drone damage mods, you can trick out a sentry proteus that matches an ishtar on DPS, has a better tank, and the scanning sub for better scanning.


I want to see that fitting.


regards,

rob
Luscius Uta
#19 - 2012-08-07 07:29:13 UTC
I've been using Proteus in lvl4's for some time, it slices through Serpentis like hot knife through butter and it can tank the whole room 1 aggro in The Assault lvl4 mission. I suppose it would work equally well, if not better against Guristas. Great improvement over Navy Mega which was my previous lvl4 boat. DPS is somewhat weak on rats with high kin/thermal resists, like Angels, but still can finish those missions faster than a Rattlesnake would. And if you're using MWD+Blasters in PvE instead of AB+Rails you should cancel your sub.

But of course, Proteus has its issues - you have to orbit the rats while having your AB on to avoid most damage by speedtanking while trying to keep them within your optimal range, and stuff like optimal range, faloff, tracking and transversal velocity is all higher math for average Draketard, right?

Workarounds are not bugfixes.