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One of the things I noticed going through the tutes recently and hearing the cries of folks in help was frequently the items needed (civvie salvager comes to mind) to perform the mission don't appear. There is also (at least in my training area) no way to acquire them readily if they don't.

I wonder how stupid the human should be to fail the tutorial.

I have a proposal to do 2 types of tutorial.

1: Some like an old one, where looks like you CAN lose your ship, with sound and which takes 2 days to complete,
2: For stupid moneygiving mass (by default). Activating a hard tutorial requires a user to perform some difficult action as an IQ test. Like hitting a mentioned help button which isn't blinking.

but then you have to put the game down for 10 minutes. why? whats that add to the game?

I'm reallt irked ccp wouldn't nip this low hanging fruit in the butt.

just make that 10 minutes, 0 minutes. Hell get rid of level 0 skills alltogether. whats the point? when you learn a skill it makes more sense for it to start at level 1 anyways.

This coupled with the re-balancing of all frigates to only need frigate level 1 to use, it just makes sense.

it's nice to let newbie see where the gate is on space, but can you do it at other places ?
like putting this ui on the selected item on the overview ?

so you can see which ship is primary, before targeting it, could be usefull while looking at tactical view
or seeing where is the pos module you selected on the overview

or attaching this ui to the anchor of the fleet while on battle so you always know if you're close to him or not

i'm terrible at finding my way both RL or in game, so having a clear visual thing would help a lot

Thread has had a little clean up work done, content-less posts removed and a friendly reminder to post responsibly. And on topic, it's wonderful to see the Tutorials are getting some more love and polish, they are already way better than they were in my day.

Why did CCP not do this with the Inventory UI revamp project?


CCP is just figuring this out now?

After all of the constructive feedback on the Inventory re-vamp regarding conventional computer user-interface interactions and well thought-out posts on why the removal of right-click access to various hangars was terribly detrimental to game-play....

And CCP took the word of volunteer testers over the word of loyal customers regarding value of right-click contextual menus. Words fail me at this point.

Edit: Does the new tutorial content include information and a walk-through on how to most efficiently use the re-vamped Inventory UI elements?

Previously I have suggested that CCP hire/consult with a sociologist or similar to help you understand human nature to create better mechanics as you are apparently surprised every time someone takes a less travelled (read: not working as intended, but not illegal) route to one goal or another. Would be hugely beneficial when it comes to revamping the sov system I'd say.

Now I'd like to expand on that and suggest you hire/consult with an professional educator, preferably one specialized in early developmental psychology/learning, so that you can make your Eve intro as good as can be .. some examples where such experience would have been beneficial:

Your solution is to eliminate it .. hmmmmm. What one does when dealing with noobs children new comers who exhibit disinterest in something that will ultimately help them is to play into their natural curiosity but not forcefully. Introduce the skills as normal (assuming the bad spot doesn't extend that far) and rest assured that they will poke around until they press the queue button .. at which point you can tell them there is a guide available should they want/need it (you can use one of those fancy new pop-ups!) .. most like figuring stuff out themselves though.

If a child refuses to eat nothing but pizza, the absolutely worst thing one can do is to let the little bastard eat nothing but pizza . Yes, the context menu has improved a lot since I started out .. to the point of usefulness even .. but to base the entire introduction to Eve on nothing but will come back and bite you very, very hard as said usefulness is dwarfed by the keys and key+click combos used in competitive Eve gameplay. The right-click will always be there as PC users are very well acquainted with the "when in doubt, R. click" dogma so keep working on the menus to make them perfect failsafe's rather than use them as the starting point and sole content.
Again play on the natural curiosity .. take the new player on stroll through the ESC menu at some "early" point, can even be an optional thing as people like to kick tyres and poke engines, or you could mention in the pop-ups when there is a key assignment available and possibly even what the current one is. Computer players will always seek to optimize their gameplay which is what keys and key+click allows.

In short: Good work so far, but you must be careful not to "dumb things down" too far so that the post-tutorial experience suffers. Iconography/menu based interfaces may be alpha-omega on smartphones and other input limited devices but it is because they are input limited not because it is the best interface solution around.

Now let's talk noob ships and blow some up!

I know your time is limited, but maybe you could consider the following:


Could the final tutorial mission be something like this:


Multiplayer Mission run and or a 2 group PvP.

it should be something that is on a timer. aply to the mission wait certain amount of time, start mission adjust mission to number of participants 1 if no others apply.

it would show a part o EVE that I miss in the tutorial.

If you dont use old Aura voice in tutorials you fail!

Would be interested to see, how many people quit after seeing the awful inventory system.