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For the most part I have thought about it and understand what you are trying to accomplish in trade off's vs mining. the only problem I see is the one size fits all cargo bay.

If, a person mines in Null in Hidden belts, between the 1st 2 or three belts you encounter every rock type in the game. We need room in our cargo hold for a full set, minus Mercoxit as that is a different fit. You need spare room for at least 1 crystal or it wont let you change, it will say your cargo is full.

So excluding Mercoxit, there are 15 crystals you need to carry. at the new size of 25 each that is 375. BUT, each ship has different numbers of lasers, so..

Hulk needs room for 45 crystals (15x3) x 25m3 or 1125. and a bit of spare so it should be rounded to 1200 cargo space.

Mack needs room for 30 crystals 15x2) x25m3 or 750. with some spare space for swapping it needs to be 800 cargo space.

Skiff 15x1 x 25 = 375 and spare gets us 400.

Doens't that make sense? Forum trolls aside, I think it does. Especially with the tweaks to all the barges, the exhumers become the high end choice, and there are a large grp that carry a full set of crystals. We will be forced into all kinds of weirdness with the 350 cargo bays. Much wailing and gnashing of teeth will ensue.

The test server is to test. I have tested..and this is what I found. everything else I like or understand.

On a personal note, the hulk ore hold should hold 2 cycles. Most hulk pilots put in cargo rigs so they can. 7500 is not enough room for 2 cycles.

Yup... caps aside, he's right.

Doesn't understand the concept - he is one of these people that think you take along one set of EVERY CRYSTAL...not a set of 1-2-3 depending on ship of certain ones and hold them say 4 sets of 3 veld on a Hulk for example or 4 sets etc...

Apparently there are people that actually mine that way... how odd... every I know does it like this...

HS 4 ore - veld, scor, pyro, kern... hulk with 3x miners and drone...

Load out: 3x kern IIs in the strips, then take along 3x Veld IIs, 3x Scor IIs, 3x Pyro IIs... so thats 12 crystals right there 9 in cargo... that is what anyone needs just to mine efficiently in this system/ore situation regardless of Orca support, that is HS and that would be fine... enough room.

What happens then you hit a system with 5+ more ore types you want to mine... well your ******... but doesn't matter because you would rather at this point get your mack, load it up with the 5+ sets of 2 - which could be 10-20 crystals and they easy fit in your hold... fleet up and forget your hulk ever existed as it's tank is no longer fit for low/null anyway...

better even you get your skiff head to low with your orca fleet (derp!) and use that BS-tanked ship to mine w/o care... (according to these types) and everything is ponies.

*cough*

Ok reality time... every exhumer and barge should use this equation for its cargo bay.

number of lasers x number of sets + changing space + accessories

So:

1x 1x 10 = 10 + 1 + whatever = Skiff = it holds all crystals and can change them for the one laser and give it some room for change or underwear and some Quafe.

2xs 2x 10 = 20 + 2 + ? = Mack... cause it's a solo miner and fits all the sets anyway...

3x 3x 5 = 15 +3 = hulk because it should only carry enough for a mining mission and not ALL sets (because of logic) and so you have enough to carry 15x25m3 and 3x changing room and than some Quafe space...enough already.

Hum, as much as I like your post - why do Highsec miners should have an advantage over 0.0 Pilots?

A Hulk fitted for 1.0 can carry a set for the whole belt - while the 0.0 miner will not have this option? Fair is different.
This whole change has no point at all - only to annoy miners mining in lower security.

i've 0.0 mined on my industrial alt.. i never had problems with crystals.. because when i needed to switch crystal sets i just warped to our starbase and swapped .

if i wanted to be warping back and forth all day then i'd fly a mack. the hulk's crystal issue needs looking at, especially when the covetor still has a 500m3 cargo bay which is all the hulk needs. the crystal sizes would have fixed it if ccp didn't also reduce the hulk's cargo bay at the same time.

your first line is so wrong it's painful. it's the only mining barge people use unless they are worried about losing a 250m hull in which case they use the covetor. none of the other ships are viable for mining ore in the slightest in their current format.

again orca is not the answer. we don't even want a bigger cargo hold; we simply want the cargo hold we were given when the new changes were announced which is perfectly adequate.

Is that so? Well, why does the HULK is having 1.5k m3 spare ORE-hold she doesn't need in any way? If it's a fleet miner, it should be removed aswell - but wait, it's pointless to write this for ya, since you don't get a flawed mechanic even if it hit's you with a baseball bat.

Annoying change stays annoying.

I am not a TWIT. I mine NULL A B C D J H H etc. I mine hidden belts. ALL the ore. and they have every type. Currently in the old Hulk I can keep one set of 3 of every time and room for 1 cycle of ore. Its all very logical.

I am not talking about or addressing the world of high sec mining where you have limited ores. I see no reason they cant' make the cargo holds big enough for crystals. it is in the old fit. and that little bit of cargo is not sufficient to get extra ore. 1200 on a hulk is nothing. but it would show they thought things out.

I thought the whole idea was to get rid of needless whatevers..and having to warp back and forth to a pos to change xtals every 15 or 20 minutes is silly and time wasting.

Null is not the land of veld all day from belt to belt. Good way to die. Hidden belts is the safer place to mine and the more valuable ore. Like in the large, there is 1 jaspet. 1 gneiss, one of a lot of them. So it makes sense to carry all the crystals with you.

I mine in the millions of m3 per day every. A slow day is 3 mil m3's a good day is 6 mil m3's or more.

I was thinking this also; just grab the most in-demand ore at first, then work your way down. If you are in fleet, then someone else can throw you the spare crystals.

But if CCP would tweak the crystal system, then that could work also.