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Gallente Lololos and Failformation Warfare

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CaptainFalcon07
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#1 - 2012-07-30 19:20:14 UTC
Armor, Shield, and Skirmish have a wide application in eve. (mining is not combat related, does not count)

Information is limited to only a small variety of ships in comparison to the other warfare links.


Look at the market, all other mindlinks are 90+ million each, while the information warfare mindlink is a paltry 9 million.

Information warfare is very limited in use and does not give a stronger bonus compared to other warfare links despite how limiting in what it can do.

I believe Information warfare should be replace by Capacitor or Weaponry warfare links.


Now moving on from that, lets look at the one of the most terrible and least flown ship in the game the Eos (Lololos in my opinion)


Not only is this ship stuck with the laughable Information Warfare, the ship's bonus and philosophy itself is laughable.

Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage and 7.5% bonus to Armor Repairer effectiveness per level

Command Ships Skill Bonus: +15 m3 extra Drone Bay space and 3% bonus to effectiveness of Information Warfare Links per level.

Its a FLEET COMMAND ship that has the bonus to the worst tanking in the game known as Active Armor tanking. Active Armor tanking is awful because of the low dps tank and the fact that it repairs at the END of the cycle.

Then it wastes 2 damage bonuses that makes it hardly better than the thorax in terms of dps. If you fit a command ship for boosting and tank, damage dealing takes a complete backseat.

With bonuses like these, it makes no sense why this ship would be boosting information, the typical users of these are cloaky and mobile recon ships. The Eos is useless as it cannot follow the a black ops bridge, move fast and cloaked like these ships.

The whole entire thing is a complete abysmal failure in my personal view.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#2 - 2012-07-30 19:23:13 UTC
Have you ever flown in a recon or EAF gang with Eos/Proteus support?

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

CaptainFalcon07
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#3 - 2012-07-30 19:25:17 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Have you ever flown in a recon or EAF gang with Eos/Proteus support?

-Liang



Have you tried flying the Eos with a recon gang while traveling through hostile space?
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#4 - 2012-07-30 19:28:23 UTC
That's what the Proteus is for... derp.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

CaptainFalcon07
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#5 - 2012-07-30 19:34:48 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
That's what the Proteus is for... derp.

-Liang


But we're not talking about the Proteus here my friend, we're talking about the EOS.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#6 - 2012-07-30 19:38:01 UTC
It's not that I don't feel you over how bad the Eos is, or even how bad Fleet Commands as a whole are. But seriously, you lead the rant with how bad info links are - and you're just wrong.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Whar Target
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-07-30 19:55:02 UTC
CaptainFalcon07 wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
That's what the Proteus is for... derp.

-Liang


But we're not talking about the Proteus here my friend, we're talking about the EOS.

Well to be fair you're complaining about both the Eos and the info war links.

I won't comment on the Eos, but the info war link that boosts e-war strength is solid. You can reach 100% jam chance on anything t1 BC and below with recon 5 and a max info war booster. (In before "because of falcon")

I do think that the e-war range link and sensor strength links suck though. I wouldn't mind seeing something better for the other two. It's backwards considering racial titan bonuses but the other two links could be capacitor amount and recharge time.

Really they should just make gallente armor and amarr gets cap recharge/neut range or something.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#8 - 2012-07-30 20:08:47 UTC
Whar Target wrote:

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I dunno, I really like the idea behind info links and I'd hate to lose some of the core functionality. The sensor strength link is one of my favorite links - have you seen what it does to a Recon 4 / Dispersion 4 pilot's chance to jam you? Have you seen what it does when you actually create an anti-falcon ship? Twisted

That said, I wouldn't mind some changes to info links that increased the strength on point/scrams (Anti-WCS), increased Nos/Neut amount, and increased web amount.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Noisrevbus
#9 - 2012-07-31 19:01:48 UTC
CaptainFalcon07 wrote:

Have you tried flying the Eos with a recon gang while traveling through hostile space?


I have, what's your point?
Lili Lu
#10 - 2012-07-31 23:55:07 UTC
I find it ironic that the ewar boost link is best applied to ecm. Tells you a lot about ewar.

Regardless, I would think that that one link should be switched out to a tracking, or some kind of drone link.

As for the Eos itself. Yeah, since ccp decided to introduce ancilliary armor repairers the armor repair bonus is awesome. That thing can active tank on par with any buffer damnation or vulture. You will see them everywhere now that the AAR is in-game. P
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#11 - 2012-08-01 09:46:54 UTC
Basically, the issue here is the same as the issue with the Claymore, fleet command ships with Active Tank bonuses are 99% ********.

All FLEET (NOTE; NOT FIELD) command ships should have a resists bonus, the Field Commands are fine as is.
Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-08-01 10:48:27 UTC
I think it’s a better combat ship than people give it credit for. It’s a T2 brutix not a T2 Myrm. Think of it as losing a few turrets and gaining a few drones to create spare highs for warfare links.

I would like the rep bonus to be 10% like the Incurses and Proteus.

Info war could use a bit more flexibility; it feels very useful in specific situations and not much else.

I would perhaps like the links to boost positive modules, at the moment it affects tracking disrupters, ECM, Sensor Damps etc. It could be changed to boost tracking comps/links, ECCM, sensor boosters etc. I think this would boost its versatility.

I do hate the drone bay bonus just give it the drone bay and give it something useful.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#13 - 2012-08-01 11:06:39 UTC
Alticus C Bear wrote:
I think it’s a better combat ship than people give it credit for. It’s a T2 brutix not a T2 Myrm. Think of it as losing a few turrets and gaining a few drones to create spare highs for warfare links.

I would like the rep bonus to be 10% like the Incurses and Proteus.

Info war could use a bit more flexibility; it feels very useful in specific situations and not much else.

I would perhaps like the links to boost positive modules, at the moment it affects tracking disrupters, ECM, Sensor Damps etc. It could be changed to boost tracking comps/links, ECCM, sensor boosters etc. I think this would boost its versatility.

I do hate the drone bay bonus just give it the drone bay and give it something useful.


Sir, that would be the Astarte, the Eos is a fleet command ship, it has 2 purposes in life, giving bonuses and tanking.

As such its Rep bonus is terrible for its role.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#14 - 2012-08-01 16:27:28 UTC
Danny John-Peter wrote:

Sir, that would be the Astarte, the Eos is a fleet command ship, it has 2 purposes in life, giving bonuses and tanking.

As such its Rep bonus is terrible for its role.


I really like rep bonuses on blaster ships, because rep bonuses actually work in the same engagement types that blasters do - small gangs.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Denuo Secus
#15 - 2012-08-01 17:29:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Denuo Secus
Liang Nuren wrote:
I really like rep bonuses on blaster ships, because rep bonuses actually work in the same engagement types that blasters do - small gangs.

-Liang


Would you say this kind of active tank is viable even if armor rep rigs would be replaced by damage rigs? To avoid speed loss. In exchange more armor resist mods in the low slots...and maybe a 800mm plate to get some buffer. Tho I think pure resist and even better rep could be nice in small scale PvP.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#16 - 2012-08-01 17:37:40 UTC
Denuo Secus wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
I really like rep bonuses on blaster ships, because rep bonuses actually work in the same engagement types that blasters do - small gangs.

-Liang


Would you say this kind of active tank is usable if armor rep rigs would be replaced by damage rigs? To avoid speed loss. In exchange more armor resist mods in the low slots...and maybe a 800mm plate to get some buffer. Tho I think pure resist and even better rep could be nice in small scale PvP.


I...l don't know. I don't think so. DPS is generally so high that a meaningful active tank really requires a huge slot investment. I wouldn't say that any active armor tank is really viable without dedicating 4-5 lows (2 rep, DC, 1-2 EANM), 3 rigs, and at least 1 mid (cap booster).

I guess you could try the Plate/Rep approach but I haven't found that terribly viable except for repping up after a fight.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

PinkKnife
The Cuddlefish
Ethereal Dawn
#17 - 2012-08-02 21:18:36 UTC
How to fix information warfare:

Replace targeting range bonus with signature analysis bonus.

Done. All ships in fleet get 10% reduction to signature at level V of information warfare. (currently get 10% bonus to targetting range...yippeee)
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#18 - 2012-08-02 21:22:37 UTC
Umm.. I'm sure you mean they'd get a 10% higher scan res? 10% reduction to signature is evasive maneuvers.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Cpt Branko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-08-02 21:36:02 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Umm.. I'm sure you mean they'd get a 10% higher scan res? 10% reduction to signature is evasive maneuvers.

-Liang


As far as I can remember, scan resolution bonus is leadership itself, information warfare bonus is targetting range.

Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-08-02 22:57:05 UTC
Everyone knows the EOS is ****, this isnt news, move on.

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