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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2241 - 2012-07-30 18:26:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Richard Desturned wrote:
please stop trying to spread misinformation like that

you refuse to test it and you refuse to believe that you can shoot outlaw pods

believe it or not, you can, i'm sorry that you're terribly misinformed


You do realize that pvp outside of certain areas on SiSi isn't allowed?

Mallak Azaria wrote:
Do you even play this game?


Yes.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2242 - 2012-07-30 18:28:48 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Do you even play this game?


Yes.


I doubt it. Even day 1 trial newbies know that you can shoot outlaw pods in highsec.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2243 - 2012-07-30 18:28:58 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I am not going to sit in a belt for 8 hours awaiting for the next Buddha to come.
What for anyway? To kill a 2M ship that was mean to explode anyway and (since I don't use cheesy alts to circumvent consequences) get kill rights on me?


hi

you shoot it when it gets a GCC and it won't get kill rights


Am I going to pop him before he pops the other guy? Because that would be the reason to do that defense.

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#2244 - 2012-07-30 18:30:23 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I am not going to sit in a belt for 8 hours awaiting for the next Buddha to come.
What for anyway? To kill a 2M ship that was mean to explode anyway and (since I don't use cheesy alts to circumvent consequences) get kill rights on me?


hi

you shoot it when it gets a GCC and it won't get kill rights


Am I going to pop him before he pops the other guy? Because that would be the reason to do that defense.

If it is a dessie, yes easy.

If it is a BC or BS... not likely.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2245 - 2012-07-30 18:30:28 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I am not going to sit in a belt for 8 hours awaiting for the next Buddha to come.
What for anyway? To kill a 2M ship that was mean to explode anyway and (since I don't use cheesy alts to circumvent consequences) get kill rights on me?


hi

you shoot it when it gets a GCC and it won't get kill rights


Am I going to pop him before he pops the other guy? Because that would be the reason to do that defense.


a catalyst has 4k ehp

figure out the rest yourself v0v

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2246 - 2012-07-30 18:31:03 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
You do realize that pvp outside of certain areas on SiSi isn't allowed?


consensual pvp for testing purposes is allowed everywhere

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2247 - 2012-07-30 18:31:25 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I am not going to sit in a belt for 8 hours awaiting for the next Buddha to come.
What for anyway? To kill a 2M ship that was mean to explode anyway and (since I don't use cheesy alts to circumvent consequences) get kill rights on me?


hi

you shoot it when it gets a GCC and it won't get kill rights


Am I going to pop him before he pops the other guy? Because that would be the reason to do that defense.


If you can't alpha a destroyer, you're doing something wrong.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2248 - 2012-07-30 18:45:07 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
consensual pvp for testing purposes is allowed everywhere


So, I have to wardec my alt to test it... I'm not CEO so I can't do that.

Mallak Azaria wrote:
If you can't alpha a destroyer, you're doing something wrong.


800mm Repeating Artillery II would like to have word with you.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2249 - 2012-07-30 18:46:03 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
If you can't alpha a destroyer, you're doing something wrong.


if only we had two cheapass battlecruiser hulls that can be fit to instalock and pop catalysts with high-alpha turrets

if only

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#2250 - 2012-07-30 18:46:51 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:

So, I have to wardec my alt to test it... I'm not CEO so I can't do that.

wrong
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2251 - 2012-07-30 18:47:00 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
consensual pvp for testing purposes is allowed everywhere


So, I have to wardec my alt to test it... I'm not CEO so I can't do that.

Mallak Azaria wrote:
If you can't alpha a destroyer, you're doing something wrong.


800mm Repeating Artillery II would like to have word with you.


pod yourself with that alt till it's -5 (doesn't take very long)

and no you don't use autocannons, it's called artillery

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2252 - 2012-07-30 18:48:31 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
If you can't alpha a destroyer, you're doing something wrong.


if only we had two cheapass battlecruiser hulls that can be fit to instalock and pop catalysts with high-alpha turrets

if only


One.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2253 - 2012-07-30 18:50:25 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
One.


hurricane

tornado

once again, you are wrong

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2254 - 2012-07-30 18:53:00 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
pod yourself with that alt till it's -5 (doesn't take very long)


I get kicked out from SiSi if I do that. And it takes a long time even if I pod character with 5.0 sec status.
Istyn
Freight Club
#2255 - 2012-07-30 18:54:01 UTC
CCP Masterplan wrote:
So here's the rules:
* You can freely kill a pod if the pilot is an outlaw (below -5 sec status)
* You can't kill a pod if the pilot just has a GCC. If you try, you'll get the non-suppressible "Are you sure? CONCORD will wtfpwn you if you do this" dialog
This has always been the case

Normally someone with GCC will show up as red. What changed with Escalation was that we removed a special case in the UI that suppressed this red if they had GCC AND were in a pod. Now someone with GCC will always show up as red, regardless of their ship. However you will stil get punished if you kill a GCC pod BUT only if you click 'Yes' to the CONCORD question.

I do agree this can be a little confusing, and we're looking at adjusting it a little based on feedback such as this.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1208388#post1208388
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2256 - 2012-07-30 18:54:12 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
pod yourself with that alt till it's -5 (doesn't take very long)


I get kicked out from SiSi if I do that. And it takes a long time even if I pod character with 5.0 sec status.


no you do not, you'd have to be reported by the guy you podded

and well i don't think your alt is suddenly going to develop an independent consciousness and report you for podding outside of the designated systems

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2257 - 2012-07-30 18:56:50 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
no you do not, you'd have to be reported by the guy you podded

and well i don't think your alt is suddenly going to develop an independent consciousness and report you for podding outside of the designated systems


It will show on logs.
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#2258 - 2012-07-30 18:58:49 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
no you do not, you'd have to be reported by the guy you podded

and well i don't think your alt is suddenly going to develop an independent consciousness and report you for podding outside of the designated systems


It will show on logs.

it's only against the rules to pod an unwilling person

they must petition complaining about it
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2259 - 2012-07-30 19:08:14 UTC
Wow I cannot believe people like Jorma not only know nothing about game mechanics but refuse to listen to people who know what they are doing or test it himself.

As someone who has been popping pods and getting podded for 6 years, you have always been able to pod someone who is an outlaw in high sec space. GCC pods are not valid, only outlaws which are people below -5.0. Won't take more than 10 mins to test this on Sisi. I don't need to test it because I podded some poor afk outlaw pod in high sec 3 days ago.

GCC pods should be valid targets to everyone but I assume that's because it would require effort on CCPs part. Giving exhumers +10k base ehp (or whatever it is) is really, really, REALLY tough work. Phew, I'm getting tired just thinking about it, better take a well deserved vacation after this CCP, that's some complicated in-depth finely tuned balancing there. Congrats.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2260 - 2012-07-30 19:12:31 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
Wow I cannot believe people like Jorma not only know nothing about game mechanics but refuse to listen to people who know what they are doing or test it himself.

As someone who has been popping pods and getting podded for 6 years, you have always been able to pod someone who is an outlaw in high sec space. GCC pods are not valid, only outlaws which are people below -5.0. Won't take more than 10 mins to test this on Sisi. I don't need to test it because I podded some poor afk outlaw pod in high sec 3 days ago.

GCC pods should be valid targets to everyone but I assume that's because it would require effort on CCPs part. Giving exhumers +10k base ehp (or whatever it is) is really, really, REALLY tough work. Phew, I'm getting tired just thinking about it, better take a well deserved vacation after this CCP, that's some complicated in-depth finely tuned balancing there. Congrats.


it doesn't take long to reach -5 if you do a lot of ganking

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