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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2221 - 2012-07-30 17:24:17 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
-10's in a pod can be shot on sight


In lowsec/nullsec.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2222 - 2012-07-30 17:32:49 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


I have a feeling that nullsec could use a moderate boost to individual income but an huge boost to what I wrote in the paragraph above.


Then, we basically agree.


Sure, if you just paused a second the parade about how though is to be in sov nullsec and tralala and would sit to a table and talk about the dry topics.


Werst Dendenahzees wrote:

Yes, it is something we wanted, but CCP has just taken it out without replacing it with another form of (weaker) taxable income. Thus, it sucks. An optimized alliance today would simply not have sov.


Isn't it a bit too early to get out doom prophecies? We don't even know the final coefficients and you know that Alchemy won't kill it (Alchemy is engineered to be worth 0 below a certain minimum thresold anyway).


See Weaselior's calculator
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqcVTxvQXiL3dHJXYXcwejAtemZ2MlVxQkhWSnVfRGc#gid=0


I have seen it, it makes certain assumptions that we can't know if they'll become real until they happen.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2223 - 2012-07-30 17:35:28 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
it's not like real combat where you know stuff happens soon.

You dont seem to be dealing with it very well


I am not going to sit in a belt for 8 hours awaiting for the next Buddha to come.
What for anyway? To kill a 2M ship that was mean to explode anyway and (since I don't use cheesy alts to circumvent consequences) get kill rights on me?

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Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2224 - 2012-07-30 17:45:57 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I am not going to sit in a belt for 8 hours awaiting for the next Buddha to come.
What for anyway? To kill a 2M ship that was mean to explode anyway and (since I don't use cheesy alts to circumvent consequences) get kill rights on me?

I'm not circumventing any consequences by doing that.

Are you saying every activity you do in EVE Online you do with the same character?

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2225 - 2012-07-30 17:46:01 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I am not going to sit in a belt for 8 hours awaiting for the next Buddha to come.
What for anyway? To kill a 2M ship that was mean to explode anyway and (since I don't use cheesy alts to circumvent consequences) get kill rights on me?


hi

you shoot it when it gets a GCC and it won't get kill rights

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Istyn
Freight Club
#2226 - 2012-07-30 17:48:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Istyn
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
What consequence do you endure by pod warping from station to Orca, reshipping, going in blowing and insta warping to safe again?
Well, if thats how you think its done, why dont you scan down the POD in space and come kill me?

Negative ten toons are flashy red and able to be shot at by anyone, thats the consequence

deal with it


If they are in a ship. Shooting the pod isn't allowed.


Shooting the pod of a guy with GCC isn't allowed.

Shooting the pod of a guy with -5 or lower sec status is.

The confusion arises because the overview changed from 'flashy red' for outlaw to solid red ala those who are GCC or have aggressed you, and then CCP decided to make it so that GCC pods were still showing as solid red for a while, making people think they were outlaws and therefore poddable.
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#2227 - 2012-07-30 17:50:03 UTC
Danny Diamonds wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
And isn't this the epitome of carebearing? "I want to do all sorts of stuff but not suffer any of the consequences, in the Game Of Consequences".

How is it better than dumb miners refusing the consequences of AFK their zero tank Hulk?


i'm pretty sure more people recycle alts to keep concord in belts than people recycling good gank alts

the more you know



Fabrication. Stop.


FFS you just make a DEDICATED ganking alt. Only FP attack you when you are -10, not concord. Its not against the rules, or very difficult at all, to evade the faction cronies. Just concord.

Any miners making alts to call concord will be reported.
Istyn
Freight Club
#2228 - 2012-07-30 17:51:01 UTC
Oh, worth also mentioning you can shoot a pod of a guy who aggresses you and doesn't have outlaw sec status, but will go GCC and take a sec hit once he explodes. It's a weird mechanic.
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2229 - 2012-07-30 17:54:35 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Wall of tears. Roll


Where did the bad miner touch you
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2230 - 2012-07-30 17:55:50 UTC
Istyn wrote:
Oh, worth also mentioning you can shoot a pod of a guy who aggresses you and doesn't have outlaw sec status, but will go GCC and take a sec hit once he explodes. It's a weird mechanic.


you can legally kill pods if they're wartargets or have outlaw (-5 and below) sec status

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2231 - 2012-07-30 17:57:18 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
-10's in a pod can be shot on sight


In lowsec/nullsec.


and hisec

please stop saying things that are entirely untrue, feel free to test this on sisi

outlaw pods have been legal targets since ever

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#2232 - 2012-07-30 17:58:39 UTC
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
Danny Diamonds wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
And isn't this the epitome of carebearing? "I want to do all sorts of stuff but not suffer any of the consequences, in the Game Of Consequences".

How is it better than dumb miners refusing the consequences of AFK their zero tank Hulk?


i'm pretty sure more people recycle alts to keep concord in belts than people recycling good gank alts

the more you know



Fabrication. Stop.


FFS you just make a DEDICATED ganking alt. Only FP attack you when you are -10, not concord. Its not against the rules, or very difficult at all, to evade the faction cronies. Just concord.

Any miners making alts to call concord will be reported.


There is nothing wrong with an alt to call concord (unless CCP has decided that calling Concord is an exploit or something).

They just can't recycle it.



Hmmm, I have an empty alt spot...
Istyn
Freight Club
#2233 - 2012-07-30 17:59:56 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Istyn wrote:
Oh, worth also mentioning you can shoot a pod of a guy who aggresses you and doesn't have outlaw sec status, but will go GCC and take a sec hit once he explodes. It's a weird mechanic.


you can legally kill pods if they're wartargets or have outlaw (-5 and below) sec status


>: Ya I said that just above that post.

only i am awesome and hit reply instead of edit like a champ derp.
Istyn
Freight Club
#2234 - 2012-07-30 18:01:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Istyn
Corina Jarr wrote:
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
Danny Diamonds wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
And isn't this the epitome of carebearing? "I want to do all sorts of stuff but not suffer any of the consequences, in the Game Of Consequences".

How is it better than dumb miners refusing the consequences of AFK their zero tank Hulk?


i'm pretty sure more people recycle alts to keep concord in belts than people recycling good gank alts

the more you know



Fabrication. Stop.


FFS you just make a DEDICATED ganking alt. Only FP attack you when you are -10, not concord. Its not against the rules, or very difficult at all, to evade the faction cronies. Just concord.

Any miners making alts to call concord will be reported.


There is nothing wrong with an alt to call concord (unless CCP has decided that calling Concord is an exploit or something).

They just can't recycle it.



Hmmm, I have an empty alt spot...


Concord spawning is an exploit, at least according to the GMs I've spoken with.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#2235 - 2012-07-30 18:03:34 UTC
Istyn wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
.............

There is nothing wrong with an alt to call concord (unless CCP has decided that calling Concord is an exploit or something).

They just can't recycle it.



Hmmm, I have an empty alt spot...


Concord spawning is an exploit, at least according to the GMs I've spoken with.

Aye, and others have said it wasn't.


Just another issue that the GM's haven't come to a consensus on.
Istyn
Freight Club
#2236 - 2012-07-30 18:04:32 UTC
I think it depends how you do it.

Whether you're just pulling them somewhere once (like, with your ganker, waiting the 15 minutes and then ganking) or continuously keeping them floating around your barge using a guy in an ibis.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2237 - 2012-07-30 18:20:59 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
please stop saying things that are entirely untrue, feel free to test this on sisi


I don't have any negative friends.

Richard Desturned wrote:
outlaw pods have been legal targets since ever


Stop lying.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2238 - 2012-07-30 18:22:56 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
please stop saying things that are entirely untrue, feel free to test this on sisi


I don't have any negative friends.

Richard Desturned wrote:
outlaw pods have been legal targets since ever


Stop lying.


please stop trying to spread misinformation like that

you refuse to test it and you refuse to believe that you can shoot outlaw pods

believe it or not, you can, i'm sorry that you're terribly misinformed

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#2239 - 2012-07-30 18:22:57 UTC
Istyn wrote:
I think it depends how you do it.

Whether you're just pulling them somewhere once (like, with your ganker, waiting the 15 minutes and then ganking) or continuously keeping them floating around your barge using a guy in an ibis.

This is moot, since the guy with the Ibis will only be able to get Concord into the belt once every 15 minutes. Otherwise, he will pull Concord to whatever station he comes from.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2240 - 2012-07-30 18:23:31 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
please stop saying things that are entirely untrue, feel free to test this on sisi


I don't have any friends.

Richard Desturned wrote:
outlaw pods have been legal targets since ever


Stop lying.


Do you even play this game?

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