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Why are CCP redesigning Exhumers around high-sec suicide gangs?

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Taranius De Consolville
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-07-30 17:03:36 UTC
Another troll miner gank thread

How orginal...
Taranius De Consolville
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-07-30 17:08:25 UTC
Also in response if the Exhumers had not how did you put it?

CLEARLY NOT MEANT FOR HIGH SEC

They would banned from flying in 0.5 an above

Your another troll PVP pilot who is actually gonna have to use expensive ships to play your Hulkageddon

lolz no?
Odin Tribus
KFC Delivery Service
#23 - 2012-07-30 17:11:12 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Also in response if the Exhumers had not how did you put it?

CLEARLY NOT MEANT FOR HIGH SEC

They would banned from flying in 0.5 an above

Your another troll PVP pilot who is actually gonna have to use expensive ships to play your Hulkageddon

lolz no?


You sound mad
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-07-30 17:11:36 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Nice quoting. Let me join in.

Skiff wrote:

The exhumer is the second generation of mining vessels created by ORE. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, were each created to excel at a specific function, the Skiff's being durability. With that in mind, the designers could only make space to fit one mining or ice harvesting module. To mitigate the effect this would have on its mining output, they came up with a unique loading system that allows this one module to work at triple efficiency.
Exhumers are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining and Ice Harvesting modules.


Mackinaw wrote:
The exhumer is the second generation of mining vessels created by ORE. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, were each created to excel at a specific function, the Mackinaw's being storage. Although it only has space to fit two mining or ice harvesting modules, a fast loading system allows those two module to do the work of three modules.
Exhumers are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining and Ice Harvesting modules.


Hulk wrote:
The exhumer is the second generation of mining vessels created by ORE. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, were each created to excel at a specific function, the Hulk's being mining yield. The additional yield comes at a price, as the Hulk has weaker defenses and a smaller ore bay than the other exhumers.
Exhumers are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining and Ice Harvesting modules.

Nice dodge.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#25 - 2012-07-30 17:15:22 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Also in response if the Exhumers had not how did you put it?

CLEARLY NOT MEANT FOR HIGH SEC

They would banned from flying in 0.5 an above

Your another troll PVP pilot who is actually gonna have to use expensive ships to play your Hulkageddon

lolz no?


I don't know why you have to be so personal since I clearly stated this is not the subject of this thread. I'm sorry you can't read very well but please ask someone to help you through the difficult words next time to save yourself from looking so stupid.

1. I do not partake in suicide ganking.

2. How can CCP implement forced game rules on elements of gameplay that were 'not indended'? That is possibly the most dim-witted sentiment I have read on these forums in some time.

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Patrakele
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-07-30 17:20:18 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
They were never intended to be used in high sec anyway.

I'm not concerned with the actual changes CCP are making to these ships but the thought process that goes behind it and it's ramifications for the game as a whole. CCP are catering to the casual players and in doing so are turning New Eden from a dark and consequence filled universe to that of a hand-holding nanny state.

Quote:
The Hulk is the largest craft in the second generation of mining vessels created by the ORE Syndicate. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining modules. They are also far more resilient, better able to handle the dangers of deep space. The Hulk is, bar none, the most efficient mining vessel available.


Quote:
The Skiff is the smallest of the second generation of mining vessels created by the ORE Syndicate. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining modules. They are also far more resilient, better able to handle the dangers of deep space. Skiffs are specialty vessels, designed to mine Mercoxit.


Quote:
The Mackinaw is the medium-sized version of the second generation of mining vessels created by the ORE Syndicate. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining modules. They are also far more resilient, better able to handle the dangers of deep space. The Mackinaw is a specialty vessel, ideally suited for ice mining.


Clearly they were not intended for the starter systems which comprise high-sec empire.


Deal with it or GTFO.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#27 - 2012-07-30 17:23:20 UTC
Patrakele wrote:
Deal with it or GTFO.

Thanks for taking the time to contribute to the thread. At least I can presume you will now GTFO yourself Roll

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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#28 - 2012-07-30 17:28:06 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:

I'm still surprised that high-sec miners never actually adapted to all the suicide ganging and simply carried on getting themselves killed but I suppose that says more about society and their senses of entitlement than it does about internet spaceships.


Agreed.

However with the drone region nerf they gotta get those exhumers out in the belts somehow.

Not today spaghetti.
Charlie Jacobson
#29 - 2012-07-30 17:30:28 UTC
They are also far more resilient

I support James 315 and the New Order of Highsec
Riall
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-07-30 17:32:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Riall
ORE Sales Rep: The miners are asking when we're going to update our barges?

ORE Engineer: What do you mean... they're awesome as is... they should learn to fit them properly.

Rep: All new orders we're getting in are for fittings with shield extenders, but we're getting fewer orders. I'm looking at sales projections that say we could sell more, for a slightly higher price if we tweaked the next model year a bit.

Engineer: Why would they be tanking those things?

Rep: You really don't read the news, do you... There's this new thing that some of the null alliances have been sponsoring. Capsuleers fly into high sec, blow up one of our barges for kicks fully knowing that Concord is going to carve their pod out.

Engineer: Seriously? Why would they want to blow up such beautifully crafted machines? I mean, they don't harm a fly. They rip through asteroids, but not flies...

Rep: Look, all I'm saying is there's a market demand for a tankier barge. Especially after those new model destroyers and those freaky new battlecruisers that run big guns. We don't have to do anything crazy to our barges, just beef 'em up a bit. They'll sell like Veld Cakes, seriously.

Engineer: OK, let me see what I can cook up.

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Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#31 - 2012-07-30 17:32:50 UTC
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Deep_Space_Scanner_Probe_I

Again, deep space is not the same aa nul sec. If it was, these probes would be limited to nul/wormhole only much like interdictor probes.

Deep space is any area of space outside the bounds of a planet's gravitational influence. You have deep space pockets all over, including grav sites where one could mine.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#32 - 2012-07-30 17:33:42 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
Untanked hulks are squishy now.

Untanked hulks will be squishy after the patch.

I fail to see the problem.

edit: Oh right, some people actually think they're going to give up yield in favor of tank. They've always had that option, and have never taken it.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
The D1ngo
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-07-30 17:38:06 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Nice quoting. Let me join in.

Skiff wrote:

The exhumer is the second generation of mining vessels created by ORE. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, were each created to excel at a specific function, the Skiff's being durability. With that in mind, the designers could only make space to fit one mining or ice harvesting module. To mitigate the effect this would have on its mining output, they came up with a unique loading system that allows this one module to work at triple efficiency.
Exhumers are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining and Ice Harvesting modules.


Mackinaw wrote:
The exhumer is the second generation of mining vessels created by ORE. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, were each created to excel at a specific function, the Mackinaw's being storage. Although it only has space to fit two mining or ice harvesting modules, a fast loading system allows those two module to do the work of three modules.
Exhumers are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining and Ice Harvesting modules.


Hulk wrote:
The exhumer is the second generation of mining vessels created by ORE. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, were each created to excel at a specific function, the Hulk's being mining yield. The additional yield comes at a price, as the Hulk has weaker defenses and a smaller ore bay than the other exhumers.
Exhumers are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining and Ice Harvesting modules.

Nice dodge.


I don't think he "dodged" anything...I think he put the facts right in your face. Stuck it right in. In fact, one could say that you and all of the "weak-tanked trolls" in this thread got ganked. Should have fit a damage control 2 on your pie hole.
Patrakele
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-07-30 17:41:11 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Patrakele wrote:
Deal with it or GTFO.

Thanks for taking the time to contribute to the thread. At least I can presume you will now GTFO yourself Roll


Oh now - that's the beauty of this game. I can do whatever the **** I want! If someone tries to take that away I will try and make their little worthless lives as miserably as possible. You see out their in the RL if someone takes my sundae from the fridge I don't just go another one - I buy another one and I put in their just before the exams start - here's the kicker - I put so much laxative in it, that someone will be shitting their bed for a week. Of course this is just stage 1 of me being angry out of 100.

And I am contributing more to this thread than you are, because if you look back, that nonsense you wasted pixels on is not worth anyone time. So how about you gather your toys and let the big boys play their space ship game? What do ya say sport?
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#35 - 2012-07-30 17:44:04 UTC
Patrakele wrote:
I can do whatever the **** I want!

Thats cute. More power to you sonny jim.

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#36 - 2012-07-30 17:44:53 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Deep_Space_Scanner_Probe_I

Again, deep space is not the same aa nul sec. If it was, these probes would be limited to nul/wormhole only much like interdictor probes.

Deep space is any area of space outside the bounds of a planet's gravitational influence. You have deep space pockets all over, including grav sites where one could mine.


Those grav sites are within 4au of a celestial and not in deep space.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Kirin Intarca
Lezaruss Industrial Systems
#37 - 2012-07-30 17:45:14 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
[quote=Taranius De Consolville]Also in response if the Exhumers had not how did you put it?

1. I do not partake in suicide ganking.

2. How can CCP implement forced game rules on elements of gameplay that were 'not indended'? That is possibly the most dim-witted sentiment I have read on these forums in some time.


Yes, I fell for a bad troll, anyway....

If you don't partake in ganking then why are you concerned about the mining barges being adapted to resist being ganked. Also, Barges and Exhumers are not gankproof even after the change, they are still relatively weak compared to most combat ships. I can get my T1 crusier to a higher EHP than any of my exhumers. Also, I have never seen a weapon fitted to a Exhumer, only a few drones. I may try that today and even see if it works. maybe I can fit a medium projectile on it... oh wait they don't have any turret slots. So an armed combat ship attacks an unarmed mining vessel. The exhumer could have a tank like a titan and it would never kill you.

Secondly, CCP is not forcing any game rules on anyone with this change. They are just updating ship balancing. Does anyone ever complain about the destroyers getting more DPS? They are slotted to get overhauled too. Incursus and Merlin are now pretty good at tanking for a frigate, anyone have a problem with that? Then why is anyone except GOON paid high-sec suicide gankers complaining about mining ships getting more ore hold and EHP?

Now a look at the other side of the coin.
Mack will have a very large ore hold, meaning they will sit at a belt longer and more open to attack. They are intended for the solo miner (aka, easy target) so ganking an almost full Mack with your nice crusier will still payoff. So you pay 30 mil for a cheap crusier fit, to get the 100's of millions in a Mack kill and loot all the ore, and GOON will still pay you for losing your ship, because you allowed them to sell another Mack.

Griefers are the biggest whiners, period.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-07-30 17:50:54 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Also in response if the Exhumers had not how did you put it?

CLEARLY NOT MEANT FOR HIGH SEC

They would banned from flying in 0.5 an above

Your another troll PVP pilot who is actually gonna have to use expensive ships to play your Hulkageddon

lolz no?


you can fly an interdictor in hisec

however, its primary role makes it useless in hisec

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#39 - 2012-07-30 17:51:33 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:

I'm not concerned with the actual changes CCP are making to these ships but the thought process that goes behind it and it's ramifications for the game as a whole. CCP are catering to the casual players and in doing so are turning New Eden from a dark and consequence filled universe to that of a hand-holding nanny state.



Kirin Intarca wrote:
If you don't partake in ganking then why are you concerned about the mining barges being adapted to resist being ganked.

...

Griefers are the biggest whiners, period.

Not today spaghetti.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2012-07-30 17:52:23 UTC
Riall wrote:
ORE Sales Rep: The miners are asking when we're going to update our barges?

ORE Engineer: What do you mean... they're awesome as is... they should learn to fit them properly.

Rep: All new orders we're getting in are for fittings with shield extenders, but we're getting fewer orders. I'm looking at sales projections that say we could sell more, for a slightly higher price if we tweaked the next model year a bit.

Engineer: Why would they be tanking those things?

Rep: You really don't read the news, do you... There's this new thing that some of the null alliances have been sponsoring. Capsuleers fly into high sec, blow up one of our barges for kicks fully knowing that Concord is going to carve their pod out.

Engineer: Seriously? Why would they want to blow up such beautifully crafted machines? I mean, they don't harm a fly. They rip through asteroids, but not flies...

Rep: Look, all I'm saying is there's a market demand for a tankier barge. Especially after those new model destroyers and those freaky new battlecruisers that run big guns. We don't have to do anything crazy to our barges, just beef 'em up a bit. They'll sell like Veld Cakes, seriously.

Engineer: OK, let me see what I can cook up.


then the engineer says "alright, here's a new design that is far more resilient but it can't mine much and well we're going to have to put a half-billion price tag on it because R&D ain't free"

also lol you think you buy hulks from npcs

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration