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The turning point of EVE, five years ago.

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Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
#81 - 2012-07-04 11:32:13 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
If the (ohsobrokenforceprojection) Jump Bridges are up, it'll be a nice highway right to someone's front door.


You really master the art of twisting the blade into a wound.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2012-07-04 11:34:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
SmilingVagrant wrote:
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:
Zastrow wrote:
I don't know that I'll ever be involved in anything as truly epic as The Great EVE war in any game, ever. Man those were golden days. On one hand EVE mechanics were so much worse than they are now, but the posting, the propaganda, the diplomacy, the shadow wars and spying... There were no holds barred and it was glorious. As Goonswarm's logistics director at the time I would stay up all night long anchoring POS, I would log in during lectures in class to time stront, I did all of these ridiculous things without question and with no regrets. I wish there could ever be a space conflict so grand again, but I don't know that we'll ever see one.
id speculate that the current war has more potential.

CFC are going head to head with soco. Goons have pissed off a lot of high sec players,. CFC have to be mindful not to get into a trench war or they could find them self fighting a three ground war.

Exciting times


Hahahaha you almost come off as if you know what you are talking about.

Soco is full of garbage, is currently ceding sov to us, rarely undocking with anything more damaging than stealth bombers (Honestly this is starting to look like IT Alliance part 2). The only chance they had in this war was a strong defense and holding the timers of all systems into euro TZ where we are arguably a lot weaker. Now if they want the space back they are going to have to fight in mid to late US prime... where they can't get the numbers to effectively fight us. The "War" has been mismanaged on their end in the extreme.

The sad bit about this war is, it had the potential to be a truly epic war. Instead, -A- leadership has pissed away the opportunity by telling everyone to retreat back to NPC stain a mere 2 days after the initial declaration of war.

Even IT Alliance lasted at least for a few weeks before failure cascading, and they had to lose at least 2 systems before the resistence just fell away (I forget exactly how many they lost before internal tension caused the entire alliance to fail), and I'm going to just note that Raiden., which was a spinoff of IT Alliance after IT failurecascaded, held out a lot longer against a pretty relentles CFC assault, with 1/30th the number of people SoCo has.

All the blame for this sorry excuse of a war lies entirely with -A- leadership. This wasn't a failure of sov mechanics being a cockstab, this wasn't a problem of force projection, jumpbridges weren't being used to travel from VFK to the frontlines and back again every single day, this was -A- leadership being absolute trash which shouldn't be charged with leading a coalition (let alone an alliance or a corp) out of a wet paper bag. And everyone else in SoCo should reevaluate who should lead their coalition, and quickly, because there's been tons of line members in SoCo who have expressed a deep desire to actually fight.

They're just not allowed to by -A- leadership.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#83 - 2012-07-04 13:27:30 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
there's been tons of line members in SoCo who have expressed a deep desire to actually fight.

They're just not allowed to by -A- leadership

This is really the saddest thing.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#84 - 2012-07-04 15:57:35 UTC
The Op missed a few key points in the history he brought up

1> BoB had a split in Goon swarm is formed
2> Alts in both alliances.
3> Goon leadership passed to the Mittens who also had additional powers granted to an alt of his within BoB
4> The mittens used said alt and stoled the alliance away from the command staff of BoB stealing EVERYTHING
5> The mittens ego is inflated to universal levels as he praised bringing down BoB
6> Many BoB toons sold on character Bazaar as they also buy new toons to hide within GOON Swarm

So i have to think about this some that the Plucky Hero Goon Swarm is in actuallity a wolf in sheeps clothing. and it has been noticed and said that Band of brothers has restarted once again. Check out Etherium reach on dotlan and see who they really are.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#85 - 2012-07-04 16:12:33 UTC
Meanwhile, Venal became the Afghanistan of EVE where large empires sent their fleets to die.
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#86 - 2012-07-04 18:01:06 UTC
Excellent post!

This is the kind of reading that makes people want to play the game, as opposed to the typical reading material here lately.
Amarra Mandalin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2012-07-30 14:21:14 UTC
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:
The Op missed a few key points in the history he brought up

1> BoB had a split in Goon swarm is formed
2> Alts in both alliances.
3> Goon leadership passed to the Mittens who also had additional powers granted to an alt of his within BoB
4> The mittens used said alt and stoled the alliance away from the command staff of BoB stealing EVERYTHING
5> The mittens ego is inflated to universal levels as he praised bringing down BoB
6> Many BoB toons sold on character Bazaar as they also buy new toons to hide within GOON Swarm

So i have to think about this some that the Plucky Hero Goon Swarm is in actuallity a wolf in sheeps clothing. and it has been noticed and said that Band of brothers has restarted once again. Check out Etherium reach on dotlan and see who they really are.



Don't ya just feel sorry for the sheeples? It was good reading though.
EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#88 - 2012-07-30 14:36:43 UTC
Too much goon asskissery

moral of the story is ... keep devs out of the game.
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#89 - 2012-07-30 14:44:04 UTC
wow James, thanks for this history

I'm an American, English is my second language...
Freezehunter
#90 - 2012-07-30 14:58:15 UTC
Beautiful.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
Patrakele
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2012-07-30 15:02:10 UTC
Not a single **** was given then and now.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#92 - 2012-07-30 15:39:31 UTC
Nice read - one sided but nice.

I mainly disagree with these lines:

James 315 wrote:

Had the Goons retreated, or had BoB succeeded in its goal of defeating the RSF, it is no exaggeration to say that no one reading this thread would be playing EVE today. BoB's dream of total control of EVE would have been realized, but EVE would have died as a result. And at the time, most agreed that a BoB victory was the most likely outcome of the Great War.




Whilst goons certainly played their part in BoBs demise, BoB would have eventually killed itself, which is what actually happened.

Too many self-inflated egos, too many from the old guard leaving only to be replaced by individual winning team joiners or entire WTJ corps with even more self-inflated but less capable pompous twats as leaders.

BoB in its forming days consisted of highly creative and aggressive players and was actually a really good alliance - T20 or not - but they became fat which lead to a shift in its player base.

The interesting bit is that whilst goons have become the new bob in many ways, their corporate culture keeps them creative and 'fit' as an alliance.

And no - Eve wouldn't have died just as it doesn't die under CFC/OTEC dominance (lol Soco) - most of the playerbase never gave the tiniest feck about who rules Sov 0.0.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
CARB0N FIBER
Derailleurs
#93 - 2012-07-30 15:49:22 UTC
TLDR


BOB controlled Eve. Devs left BOB. BOB died. Devs joined GOONS. GOONS control Eve. Some titan died.
John Rando
Tax Evaders Un-Incorporated
#94 - 2012-07-30 16:14:42 UTC
Very good read.
Phill Esteen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2012-07-30 17:05:43 UTC
Large Collidable Object wrote:
And no - Eve wouldn't have died just as it doesn't die under CFC/OTEC dominance (lol Soco) - most of the playerbase never gave the tiniest feck about who rules Sov 0.0.


it would have been dead inside though

– postum faex est – 

never forget
Fatbottom Girl
Doomheim
#96 - 2012-07-30 18:42:18 UTC
Let us all collectively give thanks to Goonswarm Federation for killing BoB, and subsequently killing their resurrected remains for years ever after.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#97 - 2012-07-30 18:45:39 UTC
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:
1> BoB had a split in Goon swarm is formed
2> Alts in both alliances.
3> Goon leadership passed to the Mittens who also had additional powers granted to an alt of his within BoB
4> The mittens used said alt and stoled the alliance away from the command staff of BoB stealing EVERYTHING
5> The mittens ego is inflated to universal levels as he praised bringing down BoB
6> Many BoB toons sold on character Bazaar as they also buy new toons to hide within GOON Swarm


It's all good & well to make stuff up in your head, just don't expect people to believe it.

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Arkturus McFadden
Anukar
#98 - 2012-07-31 21:46:27 UTC
A great history lesson Smile

But my question is this..


Now that Goonswarm is systematically conquering region by region.. will the same happen to them? Time will only tell I suppose.
Information Agent
Apparently Miners
#99 - 2012-07-31 23:50:15 UTC
Arkturus McFadden wrote:
A great history lesson Smile

But my question is this..


Now that Goonswarm is systematically conquering region by region.. will the same happen to them? Time will only tell I suppose.



Every Universe, real, imagined, synthetic or programmed are locked by their very nature into a cycle of birth, destruction and rebirth. When one entity is destroyed, another may be born, one reborn, weakened entities fade away or rebuild. Size can prolong the lifespan of an entity, or it can shorten its life expectancy.

One thing is assured though, nothing lasts forever, in any Universe.

One day, we may all be back in a similar thread, comparing the past conflicts and super alliances to a new threat. In the great turnover of super alliances, any alliance created in the past, present or future may one day be the new 'super alliance' that tries to take over everything.

Tbh I think it would be funny as **** if one day in the future we are all watching IRC take vast swathes of nullsec.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#100 - 2012-08-01 00:42:51 UTC
EvEa Deva wrote:
Too much goon asskissery

moral of the story is ... keep devs out of the game.


Given that the OP is probably an alt of Karttoom (or however it's spelt Roll), then is that really such a surprise.

OP, why aren't you forum-banned yet again?

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.