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Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2141 - 2012-07-30 15:55:00 UTC
The current income ranking for shooting red crosses is something like

Wormholes > Incursions (highsec) > Pro ratting in a carrier/carrier assisted tengu(nullsec) > Pro level 4s in a pimped marauder (highsec) = Tengu ratting (nullsec) > Drake/belt ratting (nullsec) > Bad level 3-4s (highsec)

While the risk/effort is

Wormholes >= sov nullsec >>>>>>> level 4s and highsec incursions
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2142 - 2012-07-30 15:55:39 UTC
Danny Diamonds wrote:
SEC status is too easily changed.


tell me how easy it is to raise sec status

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Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2143 - 2012-07-30 15:56:07 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Officer spawns cannot be soloed.


Mute audio...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3yFf9MDP_M


Keep linking stuff from 3 years ago, it's perfectly relevant and accurate.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2144 - 2012-07-30 15:56:30 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Are you even in Nullsec? There's no real money to be had compared to running level 4 missions forever, unless you rat in a carrier.


I've heard you can get 60M/hr ratting. Plus officer spawns... Can be solo'd too.


yeah because everyone gets an officer spawn

60m/hr ratting is nothing compared to grinding the incursion equivalent of l2 missions for 120m/hr

i have heard some alliance completely refunds ship losses of its members.... Roll

question is: if nullsec is so totally poor where did all that money came from? Lol

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2145 - 2012-07-30 15:56:55 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
The current income ranking for shooting red crosses is something like

Wormholes > Incursions (highsec) > Pro ratting in a carrier/carrier assisted tengu(nullsec) > Pro level 4s in a pimped marauder (highsec) = Tengu ratting (nullsec) > Drake/belt ratting (nullsec) > Bad level 3-4s (highsec)

While the risk/effort is

Wormholes >= sov nullsec >>>>>>> level 4s and highsec incursions


So, you want W-space nerfed?
SavageBastard
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2146 - 2012-07-30 15:56:58 UTC
Freezehunter wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Are you even in Nullsec? There's no real money to be had compared to running level 4 missions forever, unless you rat in a carrier.


I've heard you can get 60M/hr ratting. Plus officer spawns... Can be solo'd too.


That is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard.

Back when I lived in Nullsec I could make 400mil-1.5 bil from running a single Sanctum.

If you did anomalies and escalations you could get rich FAST.

If you only make 60 mil per hour in 0.0 you are doing it VERY wrong.




You "could" make. I "could" make 1.5 - 2 billion off a single blood plex if the right module dropped. I "could" make 10 billion off a single blood belt if the right modules dropped. In reality those drops are very rare and people make their modest isk/hour like anyone else.

You "could" make an intelligent, well informed post next time and wow us all.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2147 - 2012-07-30 15:57:59 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
The current income ranking for shooting red crosses is something like

Wormholes > Incursions (highsec) > Pro ratting in a carrier/carrier assisted tengu(nullsec) > Pro level 4s in a pimped marauder (highsec) = Tengu ratting (nullsec) > Drake/belt ratting (nullsec) > Bad level 3-4s (highsec)

While the risk/effort is

Wormholes >= NPC nullsec >>>>>>> sov nullsec > level 4s and highsec incursions


Fixed for you.

Yes I was one of those going to sheet in the L4 missioning systems in Stain, no way you can do it as easy and cause so much trouble by going in your blueball trenches.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2148 - 2012-07-30 15:58:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
They shoud simply have made impossible to bot PvE in supercaps and similar other smart ideas.


hi

a supercarrier can only use fighters and fighterbombers, neither of which are particularly useful in anoms on their own, and a faction BS is cheaper and better overall for anoms than an SC

a titan can't lock more than 3 targets at one time, it deals less damage to rats even when it scores a perfect hit because of the sig-based turret damage penalty specific to titan hulls

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#2149 - 2012-07-30 15:58:44 UTC
Danny Diamonds wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Danny Diamonds wrote:
SEC rating is not properly enforced.

Then enforce it. You're allowed to shoot any -5 or lower character you see. Go to a suicide-gank-heavy system, and sit in the belts with alpha boats/logistics/booster links for the miners.

Or are you saying you want NPCs to enforce it for you?



I never said that, nor implied it. Stop making **** up, troll.

-5 and lower are not the only ones ganking. Nice try though. SEC status is too easily changed.

umad?

There's nothing wrong with characters above -5 doing ganks. It only becomes a problem when these characters are recycled. But then, you can do your own player-policing by petitioning them, since it's an offense that gets punished.

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Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2150 - 2012-07-30 16:00:14 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
I remember it being stated they get a 7.5% bonus to shield resists per level, is this still in place?


5% and base resists are T1.

So that's nowhere near T2 ships.


Would you mind posting the current resist profile and ship bonuses to resists here for those of us not up with the latest SiSi build?

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2151 - 2012-07-30 16:00:48 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
The current income ranking for shooting red crosses is something like

Wormholes > Incursions (highsec) > Pro ratting in a carrier/carrier assisted tengu(nullsec) > Pro level 4s in a pimped marauder (highsec) = Tengu ratting (nullsec) > Drake/belt ratting (nullsec) > Bad level 3-4s (highsec)

While the risk/effort is

Wormholes >= NPC nullsec >>>>>>> sov nullsec > level 4s and highsec incursions


Fixed for you.

Yes I was one of those going to sheet in the L4 missioning systems in Stain, no way you can do it as easy and cause so much trouble by going in your blueball trenches.


hi there has to be a reward for holding space

otherwise what is the point of holding space

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2152 - 2012-07-30 16:01:58 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
There's nothing wrong with characters above -5 doing ganks. It only becomes a problem when these characters are recycled. But then, you can do your own player-policing by petitioning them, since it's an offense that gets punished.


If it's ganker or nullsec player doing it isn't.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2153 - 2012-07-30 16:03:57 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
They shoud simply have made impossible to bot PvE in supercaps and similar other smart ideas.


hi

a supercarrier can only use fighters and fighterbombers, neither of which are particularly useful in anoms on their own, and a faction BS is cheaper and better overall for anoms than an SC

a titan can't lock more than 3 targets at one time, it deals less damage to rats even when it scores a perfect hit because of the sig-based turret damage penalty specific to titan hulls


They clearly botted supercaps because these were bad and they wanted to give top expensive targets to neuts.

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#2154 - 2012-07-30 16:04:23 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
The current income ranking for shooting red crosses is something like

Wormholes > Incursions (highsec) > Pro ratting in a carrier/carrier assisted tengu(nullsec) > Pro level 4s in a pimped marauder (highsec) = Tengu ratting (nullsec) > Drake/belt ratting (nullsec) > Bad level 3-4s (highsec)

While the risk/effort is

Wormholes >= sov nullsec >>>>>>> level 4s and highsec incursions

So the solution to this would be...

Remove individual incursions in HS after 24 hours (no rewards if incomplete) removing farming (hint: I hate incursions, so am a 'lil biased).

Fix missions to make them a little more interactive providing an incentive to not just burn through them. Less rats (more hp/damage/bounties per rat) more randomness. Adding in some actual thought would be nice too. Maybe a puzzle or some actual choices (there are a few that give choices, and I like them more than the others).
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2155 - 2012-07-30 16:05:04 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
They clearly botted supercaps because these were bad and they wanted to give top expensive targets to neuts.


you're talking about people botting with supercaps BEFORE CRUCIBLE NERFED SUPERCARRIERS

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2156 - 2012-07-30 16:06:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Skippermonkey wrote:
Would you mind posting the current resist profile and ship bonuses to resists here for those of us not up with the latest SiSi build?


You don't know what T1 resists are?

Hulk shields:
0/50/40/20

Hulk armor:
60/10/25/35

Shield resists are same for all exhumers and mining barges.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2157 - 2012-07-30 16:07:01 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
. But then, you can do your own player-policing by petitioning them, since it's an offense that gets punished.


Unless the guy is so stupid to recicle some alt called like "James315" and call the next "James316" how exactly do you know the recycling occurred?

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2158 - 2012-07-30 16:07:31 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
Would you mind posting the current resist profile and ship bonuses to resists here for those of us not up with the latest SiSi build?


You don't know what T1 resists are?

Hulk shields:
0/50/40/20

Hulk armor:
60/10/25/35


those aren't t1 resists hope this helps

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2159 - 2012-07-30 16:08:01 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Unless the guy is so stupid to recicle some alt called like "James315" and call the next "James316" how exactly do you know the recycling occurred?


"oh look the guy who ganked me is now in doomheim"

believe it or not GMs can figure out the rest

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Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2160 - 2012-07-30 16:09:32 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
The current income ranking for shooting red crosses is something like

Wormholes > Incursions (highsec) > Pro ratting in a carrier/carrier assisted tengu(nullsec) > Pro level 4s in a pimped marauder (highsec) = Tengu ratting (nullsec) > Drake/belt ratting (nullsec) > Bad level 3-4s (highsec)

While the risk/effort is

Wormholes >= sov nullsec >>>>>>> level 4s and highsec incursions


So, you want W-space nerfed?


No, I want nullsec buffed. W-space is fine as is, because C4-5-6s are a terrible pain in the ass. Now, because of the general moon goo nerf, there is now no real income source in nullsec that justifies the logistics of maintaining sov space and the risk of being ganked at any goddamn second. It used to be that alliances in the north have technetium, and alliances in the south have huge amounts of renters (that is dumb nullsec carebears who pay billions in order to rat/bot a few more billions). Renters are dumb because getting people to pay you to play a ****** game for you is not a good mechanic.