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Please explain. What is a tankable Hulk?
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Tikera Tissant
#61 - 2012-07-30 14:29:26 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Aug 8th.

All the coward bullies can look for real PvP in lowsec ... if they can grow some.

No more easy miner ganks 4u!


since hisec will be much safer for the average player come 8/8, especially when they implement that crimewatch bullshit, perhaps CCP should look at reducing rewards across the board

remove incursions from hisec, move l4s to lowsec, move all ore except the lowest form of veldspar to lowsec and restrict hisec manufacturing to t1 crap

hahaha let's face it they'll never do that, time to start a betting pool on when the game is dead


Why? is eve a high sec only game?
Goons do not find pvp in low/null sec? There are no alliance to blow up in null sec anymore?
Has the war-dec been removed from the game?

EvE is not only high sec. High sec is for carebears and people who want a break from pvp. But do they not pay ccp? Their money doesn't exist and they are just leaching on your money?

CCP will not rise and fall on the hands of high-sec. High-sec has been in existance for more than a year or two. So what is the sudden ungodly hate against it in the last year?

CCP will die if they will not be able to keep eve interesting enough, or something better comes out. They will not die because of a few thousands high-sec miners.

High sec miners come and go anyway. You can not be a miner for years on end. It will get boring and you will do something else eventually.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2012-07-30 14:36:45 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Aug 8th.

All the coward bullies can look for real PvP in lowsec ... if they can grow some.

No more easy miner ganks 4u!


since hisec will be much safer for the average player come 8/8, especially when they implement that crimewatch bullshit, perhaps CCP should look at reducing rewards across the board

remove incursions from hisec, move l4s to lowsec, move all ore except the lowest form of veldspar to lowsec and restrict hisec manufacturing to t1 crap

hahaha let's face it they'll never do that, time to start a betting pool on when the game is dead


Actually, the crimewatch changes will probably do more for PVP than anything we've seen in quite some time. Smile

don't forget: you'r speaking with goonswarm member Blink

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#63 - 2012-07-30 14:49:57 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
also the yield sacrifice is less than 15%

it's a sad day when CCP feels that they have to make these ships idiot-proof because 15% is too much yield for the poor, poor miners to sacrifice


Maybe, but then why even have specialized ships if you need to kill your yield so much. On another note - funny you say idiot-proofing. I'm pretty sure you mean the miners are idiots, but take this into consideration...

The mining ship is water-proof
The mining ship is protected against water.

The mining ship is idiot-proof.
The mining ship protects against idiots.

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Patrakele
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2012-07-30 14:52:03 UTC
It's funny because miners were crying 2 years ago about being ganked, now the leet pvpers who shoot static targets that never hit back will have to bring more firepower....

Mining is iconic to EVE. Too many entitled idiots who think they have the right to tell people how to play the game. You will still be able to gank miners to dumb cunts.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2012-07-30 15:36:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Tikera Tissant wrote:
You can look at this fit.
This is give or take a tanking hulk to almost maxing it out its abilities.

Currently without very perfect skills and implants, a hulk pilot will most likely not survive against two full skilled catalysts with overheating weapons, unless he sacrifice the hull's em/explosive resists in the hope the catalysts will do only antimatter damage (thermal/kinetic), but than again, he will die if they do their homework.

An orca pilot with warfare skills might increase his armor to be just a bit to maybe barely survive.

The hulk's only option will be ECM drones if he is skilled well, in which case one catalyst will be nulled out of the equation.

in a few days, the changes will make this fit a 40K ehp fit (give or take), in which case even a not fully tanked hulk will survive 2 catalysts. But if you bring a third friend, he is dead.


that's a worthless fit

let me tell you how much that "Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I" helps against blaster catalysts

here: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16196592/Hulk%20-%20catalyst%20tanked.jpg

preheat hardeners, turn them on when catalysts land on you, launch ECM drones set to aggressive and focus fire and they'll most certainly flub

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Mokanor Lenak
Odd Fluffy Bunnies
#66 - 2012-07-30 15:39:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Mokanor Lenak
All they did was to make idiot gankers cry more, and realize they need a buddy to get a non-tanked hulk down, instead of doing it solo in a catalyst.
A mining ship is not going to be idiot-proof. Only single catalyst proof. You can still get a hulk in a T3 BC or 2 catalyst if its not tanked.
If its tanked, you will have to use 3 ships if its 0.5-0.6 space.

So stop crying like a little baby.
You fools make gankers look bad.
Danny Diamonds
Fabricated Reality
#67 - 2012-07-30 15:49:34 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Tikera Tissant wrote:
You can look at this fit.
This is give or take a tanking hulk to almost maxing it out its abilities.

Currently without very perfect skills and implants, a hulk pilot will most likely not survive against two full skilled catalysts with overheating weapons, unless he sacrifice the hull's em/explosive resists in the hope the catalysts will do only antimatter damage (thermal/kinetic), but than again, he will die if they do their homework.

An orca pilot with warfare skills might increase his armor to be just a bit to maybe barely survive.

The hulk's only option will be ECM drones if he is skilled well, in which case one catalyst will be nulled out of the equation.

in a few days, the changes will make this fit a 40K ehp fit (give or take), in which case even a not fully tanked hulk will survive 2 catalysts. But if you bring a third friend, he is dead.


that's a worthless fit

let me tell you how much that "Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I" helps against blaster catalysts

here: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16196592/Hulk%20-%20catalyst%20tanked.jpg

preheat hardeners, turn them on when catalysts land on you, launch ECM drones set to aggressive and focus fire and they'll most certainly flub


Filling the EM hole is required to deal with other threats. Take your blinders off, Goon.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2012-07-30 15:54:41 UTC
Danny Diamonds wrote:
Filling the EM hole is required to deal with other threats. Take your blinders off, Goon.


lmao

the catalyst is the FOTM hulk ganking ship, hands down

you'd still need 4 arty thrashers to kill it in 0.5, and you don't really see that many dudes suicide ganking with thrashers compared to blaster catalysts

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#69 - 2012-07-30 16:14:14 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Danny Diamonds wrote:
Filling the EM hole is required to deal with other threats. Take your blinders off, Goon.


lmao

the catalyst is the FOTM hulk ganking ship, hands down

you'd still need 4 arty thrashers to kill it in 0.5, and you don't really see that many dudes suicide ganking with thrashers compared to blaster catalysts

Agreed.

Even Coercers would have trouble, because half their damage is being tanked with the therm resist (and Coercers are not the best at raw damage).
Sarcasim
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#70 - 2012-07-30 16:43:16 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Sarcasim wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Spaceman Jack wrote:
Lots of p!ssy suicide gankers been saying that Hulks should just tank better to prevent "most" ganks.
None of them have shown this is possible.

Please indulge me with the following ->
List a gank-proof fit that can still allow the ship to do its base function for a reasonable profit.

Requirements:
- Fit must protect against at least TWO properly fit catalysts for 20 seconds OR ONE battleship for 10 seconds.
- Must be able to mine at least 75% of its potential yield.

This is based off Concord times since Mining ships are still allowed in HiSec and te obvious nature of the attack takes this into account. Thank you.


You're an idiot first off. Second, nobody has said that current hulks can be made totally ungankable. Plus, it is a matter of you the player making a choice. If you choose not to use the tools to tank your hulk and decide you want yield instead - go ahead and do it, just be aware that you are opening yourself up for a gank.

It really is that simple. Either you choose to make yourself a less desirable target or you paint a huge target on the side of your hulk. Properly tank hulks are passed by as most gankers want to ensure a kill - a decent tanked hulk will not be their target.


You can always tell you have struck a nerve when the very first sentenance is an insult. If you cant make a hulk not profitable to gank why bother?


It is true that starting off with an insult usually isn't the best way to convince someone of something. Smile

That being said, it is quite possible to make a Hulk unprofitable to suicide gank, and therefore the chances of the attempt being made on you go down significantly. That was the point.

You have to keep in mind that if someone really, really wants to gank you there is no ship in EVE that isn't gankable. In that aspect the Hulk is no different than any other ship. This same lesson applies to even the tankiest of barges after the update as well.

Unlikely to be targetted for the attempt, yes.

Unlikely to die if a typical attempt is made, yes.

Completely ungankable, no. Nothing in EVE is.

Bottom line, if you are worried about being ganked you will now have better options. In other words, if you aren't in an area you can secure and working with Orca support in a mining fleet... choose something else.



Wont all this be a mute point come August 08? Seems to me the Dev already stated that ganking was only meant to be a way to grief somone at your cost, not a way to make a profit. Seems like a reasonable fix to an exploited game mechanic. If what you say is true and people still want to gank then they can. I say gank away, just stop crying because you cant do so at a profit.
Sarcasim
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#71 - 2012-07-30 16:49:00 UTC
Sounds like hulkagedon payouts need to be adjusted? How does 500 million isk sound? 1 billion even better? Lets see how deep the goon pockets really are.
Tikera Tissant
#72 - 2012-07-30 16:55:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Tikera Tissant
Richard Desturned wrote:
Danny Diamonds wrote:
Filling the EM hole is required to deal with other threats. Take your blinders off, Goon.


lmao

the catalyst is the FOTM hulk ganking ship, hands down

you'd still need 4 arty thrashers to kill it in 0.5, and you don't really see that many dudes suicide ganking with thrashers compared to blaster catalysts


People also gank with smartbombs.
Especially in ice fields, or on a small mining ops in a big system with lots of people.

A hulk fit for tank, mostly won't be mining alone. So a smartbomb ganking is possible. So you have to fit to be ready.
If you only fit vs catalysts, you are a fool.
Stephanie Thomas
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2012-07-30 17:27:06 UTC
Why? is eve a high sec only game?
Goons do not find pvp in low/null sec? There are no alliance to blow up in null sec anymore?
Has the war-dec been removed from the game?

EvE is not only high sec. High sec is for carebears and people who want a break from pvp. But do they not pay ccp? Their money doesn't exist and they are just leaching on your money?

CCP will not rise and fall on the hands of high-sec. High-sec has been in existance for more than a year or two. So what is the sudden ungodly hate against it in the last year?

CCP will die if they will not be able to keep eve interesting enough, or something better comes out. They will not die because of a few thousands high-sec miners.

High sec miners come and go anyway. You can not be a miner for years on end. It will get boring and you will do something else eventually.[/quote]


Alas, the game is afoot.
First of all, until all you meatheads (the "russian Corps"), put your "real world" differences aside, they'll never do anything to stop the "Mighty CFC Bullettrain Express" steamrolling all of eve !!!! "Mother Russia" aka CCCP died and broke up into 17 little republics (give or take one or two).
I'll bet if CCP allowed the NPC corps to war dec, they would take that train out since all you other whiners out in pvp land can't do it.
SO go grow a pair and put your ego aside and join together, otherwise, this game will be renamed CFC online. lmao
If I get bored of gate camping and chasing the "skirts" in null sec, I go play "Diablo III" not "My Little Pony of Warcraft" Lol
"TESTicle Alliance" is the "best" alliance.
CFC is the new "Roman Empire" you fools!!!! And CCP can't and won't stop us because we give them pvp. Lol
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#74 - 2012-07-30 17:29:21 UTC
'Align to'

Your welcome.

Not today spaghetti.
Manar Detri
#75 - 2012-07-30 17:31:11 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Spaceman Jack wrote:
- Must be able to mine at least 75% of its potential yield.


sounds like that's your problem then

"i want to supertank my abaddon AND get 1000 dps from it"


Here you go dear sir, one super tanked abaddon with 75% max damage output

[Abaddon, 185kehp 871dps]

Heat Sink II
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Reactive Armor Hardener

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
[Empty Med slot]
[Empty Med slot]

Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Ogre II x3
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#76 - 2012-07-30 17:31:37 UTC
Stephanie Thomas wrote:
CFC is the new "BoB" you fools!!!


FTFY.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#77 - 2012-07-30 17:44:34 UTC
My question is: Why do people care about the carebears in high sec when there are so many juicy targets floating around in nullsec?
Tikera Tissant
#78 - 2012-07-30 17:49:16 UTC
Stephanie Thomas wrote:

Alas, the game is afoot.
First of all, until all you meatheads (the "russian Corps"), put your "real world" differences aside, they'll never do anything to stop the "Mighty CFC Bullettrain Express" steamrolling all of eve !!!! "Mother Russia" aka CCCP died and broke up into 17 little republics (give or take one or two).
I'll bet if CCP allowed the NPC corps to war dec, they would take that train out since all you other whiners out in pvp land can't do it.
SO go grow a pair and put your ego aside and join together, otherwise, this game will be renamed CFC online. lmao
If I get bored of gate camping and chasing the "skirts" in null sec, I go play "Diablo III" not "My Little Pony of Warcraft" Lol
"TESTicle Alliance" is the "best" alliance.
CFC is the new "Roman Empire" you fools!!!! And CCP can't and won't stop us because we give them pvp. Lol


I seriously have no idea what you wanted to say.

I'm not russian, I don't put real life into the game, and I don't care about the so called 'CFC owning the game".
Me and my friends mine, we do some pvp, some pve, some WHs, industry, play the market in a very small scale, and we gang here and there.

I play the game.

People keep making the hate as their main focus of the game.
They hate miners, they hate gankers, they hate CFC, they hate industrials, they hate pvpers, they hate pve'rs, they hate tech, they hate trading, they hate jumping between gates.

But when you really think of it, maybe that is why the game is still alive Smile
People hate each other so much, that they pay to keep playing so they can make each other suffer.
Manar Detri
#79 - 2012-07-30 17:49:32 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:
My question is: Why do people care about the carebears in high sec when there are so many juicy targets floating around in nullsec?


Because the juicy target floating in nullsec is their alt.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#80 - 2012-07-30 17:53:47 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:
My question is: Why do people care about the carebears in high sec when there are so many juicy targets floating around in nullsec?

Because they're blue to 3/4 of nullsec.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.