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Mag's
Azn Empire
#121 - 2012-07-28 12:09:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Jaison Savrin wrote:
Lol, yeah sure that is what I was referring to. Frankly I am less bothered by people whining over being ganked. I can't really blame them for complaining when they are being hunted by angry 12yr olds with desperetly small e-peens. I can however laugh hysterically at the whining of said 12yr olds when the miners are given proper tools to defend themselves. Power to the rock shooters!
Ahh yea the old, they are acting like 12 year olds because they are doing something I don't like argument. You also managed to include small e-peens.

I would say well done, but you forgot to include morality and stuff about their mental health.

Not bad though. Cool

Edit: You redeemed yourself with that other post. Congrats on the following.

Jaison Savrin wrote:
Which is sad. I've never understood people who get enjoyment out of ruining other people's day. It seems like a sign of latent sociopathy to me.

Jaison Savrin wrote:
I agree. The "its just a game" argument doesn't fly with me. There is another person on the other side of the keyboard. That person is deserving of respect and to be left alone shooting rocks if that is their wish.
Well played sir, well played.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Zaraz Zaraz
Zontik Paraphernalia Inc
#122 - 2012-07-28 13:21:13 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Jaison Savrin wrote:
Lol, yeah sure that is what I was referring to. Frankly I am less bothered by people whining over being ganked. I can't really blame them for complaining when they are being hunted by angry 12yr olds with desperetly small e-peens. I can however laugh hysterically at the whining of said 12yr olds when the miners are given proper tools to defend themselves. Power to the rock shooters!
Ahh yea the old, they are acting like 12 year olds because they are doing something I don't like argument. You also managed to include small e-peens.


Do you feel like he is writing about you? As if the kind of behavior the OP "doesn't like" is the kind of thing you enjoy?
Jaison Savrin
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#123 - 2012-07-28 13:23:44 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Jaison Savrin wrote:
Lol, yeah sure that is what I was referring to. Frankly I am less bothered by people whining over being ganked. I can't really blame them for complaining when they are being hunted by angry 12yr olds with desperetly small e-peens. I can however laugh hysterically at the whining of said 12yr olds when the miners are given proper tools to defend themselves. Power to the rock shooters!
Ahh yea the old, they are acting like 12 year olds because they are doing something I don't like argument. You also managed to include small e-peens.

I would say well done, but you forgot to include morality and stuff about their mental health.

Not bad though. Cool

Edit: You redeemed yourself with that other post. Congrats on the following.

Jaison Savrin wrote:
Which is sad. I've never understood people who get enjoyment out of ruining other people's day. It seems like a sign of latent sociopathy to me.

Jaison Savrin wrote:
I agree. The "its just a game" argument doesn't fly with me. There is another person on the other side of the keyboard. That person is deserving of respect and to be left alone shooting rocks if that is their wish.
Well played sir, well played.



Lol, thanks. This post actually made me laugh.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#124 - 2012-07-28 13:54:18 UTC
Zaraz Zaraz wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Jaison Savrin wrote:
Lol, yeah sure that is what I was referring to. Frankly I am less bothered by people whining over being ganked. I can't really blame them for complaining when they are being hunted by angry 12yr olds with desperetly small e-peens. I can however laugh hysterically at the whining of said 12yr olds when the miners are given proper tools to defend themselves. Power to the rock shooters!
Ahh yea the old, they are acting like 12 year olds because they are doing something I don't like argument. You also managed to include small e-peens.

Do you feel like he is writing about you? As if the kind of behavior the OP "doesn't like" is the kind of thing you enjoy?

I enjoy long warps that eat all my capacitor and synchronized activation of offensive modules.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Mag's
Azn Empire
#125 - 2012-07-28 14:42:45 UTC
Zaraz Zaraz wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Jaison Savrin wrote:
Lol, yeah sure that is what I was referring to. Frankly I am less bothered by people whining over being ganked. I can't really blame them for complaining when they are being hunted by angry 12yr olds with desperetly small e-peens. I can however laugh hysterically at the whining of said 12yr olds when the miners are given proper tools to defend themselves. Power to the rock shooters!
Ahh yea the old, they are acting like 12 year olds because they are doing something I don't like argument. You also managed to include small e-peens.


Do you feel like he is writing about you? As if the kind of behavior the OP "doesn't like" is the kind of thing you enjoy?

Nice retort. Should I now feel chastened?

I do like how you all complain, about people playing the way it was designed though. Rather like throwing a fit, when someone takes your rook in chess.

Please continue, it's most enlightening. Big smile

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#126 - 2012-07-28 20:53:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
Zaraz Zaraz wrote:
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:
My experience at school was that bullies usually came from broken households where abuse from parental figures was the norm, and as a result incorporated the lesson that physical violence was an acceptable, even glorified, solution to personal conflicts with those around them. Drug abuse among those parental figures seemed pretty common too.

I don't really know what that has to do with a space video game though!


You don't think that there can be such a thing as 'bullying' in a 'space video game'?

Or that the personality traits that find expression in bullying behavior cannot find expression in a 'space video game'?


Of course there can be.

Because every single person who's ever pressed "F1" against anything non-NPC is a broken, beyond-redemption sociopath IRL!

Do try to keep up, please!

[/sarcasm]

E:

[/facedesk]

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Zaraz Zaraz
Zontik Paraphernalia Inc
#127 - 2012-07-29 02:09:19 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Zaraz Zaraz wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Jaison Savrin wrote:
Lol, yeah sure that is what I was referring to. Frankly I am less bothered by people whining over being ganked. I can't really blame them for complaining when they are being hunted by angry 12yr olds with desperetly small e-peens. I can however laugh hysterically at the whining of said 12yr olds when the miners are given proper tools to defend themselves. Power to the rock shooters!
Ahh yea the old, they are acting like 12 year olds because they are doing something I don't like argument. You also managed to include small e-peens.


Do you feel like he is writing about you? As if the kind of behavior the OP "doesn't like" is the kind of thing you enjoy?

Nice retort. Should I now feel chastened?

I do like how you all complain, about people playing the way it was designed though. Rather like throwing a fit, when someone takes your rook in chess.

Please continue, it's most enlightening. Big smile


Theres a difference between enjoying 'gf' pvp and enjoying tears from someone having fun chewing at rocks.

As for my question, I'm curious. Do you prefer pvp where when you win and blow up the opponents ship they respond with 'gf' or do you prefer blowing up peoples ships to extract tears? Which is more enjoyable?
nat longshot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#128 - 2012-07-30 13:25:45 UTC
ok first off this post was about the mining ships. stay on topic people.

i think some people need to grow up and stop the bs.

 [13:12:18] CCP Punkturis nat longshot you're a cutie.. OH YAH I WIN!!
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#129 - 2012-07-30 13:39:06 UTC
Zaraz Zaraz wrote:
Do you prefer pvp where when you win and blow up the opponents ship they respond with 'gf' or do you prefer blowing up peoples ships to extract tears? Which is more enjoyable?

We can get plenty of "gf" pvp from whatever flavor-of-the-day FPS games are out right now. We play EVE because of its more realistic nature in terms of player interaction. Playing EVE for fair fights defeats the purpose of playing EVE; there are plenty of games (read: all of them) that do team death match better than EVE does.

I'll put it to you this way: tears are purely the fault of the players who consider themselves victims. If miners didn't cry when we ganked their barges, we'd gank them anyway. "Tears" is basically a bonus we get every once in a while, but definitely not the draw itself.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Mag's
Azn Empire
#130 - 2012-07-30 14:04:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Zaraz Zaraz wrote:
Do you prefer pvp where when you win and blow up the opponents ship they respond with 'gf' or do you prefer blowing up peoples ships to extract tears? Which is more enjoyable?

We can get plenty of "gf" pvp from whatever flavor-of-the-day FPS games are out right now. We play EVE because of its more realistic nature in terms of player interaction. Playing EVE for fair fights defeats the purpose of playing EVE; there are plenty of games (read: all of them) that do team death match better than EVE does.

I'll put it to you this way: tears are purely the fault of the players who consider themselves victims. If miners didn't cry when we ganked their barges, we'd gank them anyway. "Tears" is basically a bonus we get every once in a while, but definitely not the draw itself.
This.

@ Zaraz Zaraz: Plus I don't really care what you are flying, how you lose it or don't lose it, as long as I make ISK. If we blew everything up, we'd be doing it wrong.

But I will admit to laughing at hate mail. I'm guessing you're the type to send them.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#131 - 2012-07-30 14:13:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Mag's wrote:
@ Zaraz Zaraz: Plus I don't really care what you are flying, how you lose it or don't lose it, as long as I make ISK. If we blew everything up, we'd be doing it wrong.


Even as a pacifistic miner, I CAN respect that... I mean, we are all capitalists in one way or the other, or we wouldn't play this game.

BUT, suicide ganking helpless ships just for the hack of it, out of boredome or because of some questionable urge to proof something, is infantile behaviour par excellance... other players are not there to satisfy the qustionable urges of a select few cellar-kids...

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#132 - 2012-07-30 14:48:56 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Mag's wrote:
@ Zaraz Zaraz: Plus I don't really care what you are flying, how you lose it or don't lose it, as long as I make ISK. If we blew everything up, we'd be doing it wrong.


Even as a pacifistic miner, I CAN respect that... I mean, we are all capitalists in one way or the other, or we wouldn't play this game.

BUT, suicide ganking helpless ships just for the hack of it, out of boredome or because of some questionable urge to proof something, is infantile behaviour par excellance... other players are not there to satisfy the qustionable urges of a select few cellar-kids...

Once upon a time, we believed that when you signed up for this game, it meant that you exposed yourself to the wills and desires of other players, and the only way to prevent the imposition of others' wills upon you was to push back. This type of game play seemed fresh and interesting to us. It was relatively original, and the sci-fi in space theme felt very fitting for it. But I guess at some point it caught the attention of players who wanted another ore grinder, and since there were more of them, their wallets talked louder.

You know, for all the WoW-bashing that goes on in here, it's ironic that WoW has went through the same course of events. Until Wrath, only some people made it to the end-game raid content and/or into the upper echelons of pvp. But then the soccer moms came along with their weekend warrior kids, and suddenly it was welfare epics and honor-bought arena gear for everyone.

It's really not EVE that's dying; it's gaming.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#133 - 2012-07-30 14:56:25 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
It's really not EVE that's dying; it's gaming.


More like shifting... moving from a small, specialized scene it was 10+ years ago to a broader, economically relevant industry.

As an oldshool gamer, I have my own problems with that... but especially when it comes to EVE, there is still much room to whiggle.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Ginger Barbarella
#134 - 2012-07-30 15:04:12 UTC
Tears and failquitting from the gankers all over the Forums today... This is just too much fun!!! Twisted

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#135 - 2012-07-30 15:04:55 UTC
No, it's literally dying. Just go look up how gaming companies are doing. They're folding/merging at such an alarming rate, it's scary. Even AAA companies are hurting. In a few years, the majority of games are likely to be based on the F2P model funded through MT, because there is so much competition and so few original idea out there.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#136 - 2012-07-30 15:10:14 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
No, it's literally dying. Just go look up how gaming companies are doing. They're folding/merging at such an alarming rate, it's scary. Even AAA companies are hurting. In a few years, the majority of games are likely to be based on the F2P model funded through MT, because there is so much competition and so few original idea out there.


Without stearing too much off topic...

I still think that the major publishers (EA, Activision, etc.) will crash and burn before that, leaving developers to fend for themselfes again, bringing about a renassance of gaming... hey, you can always hope.^^

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#137 - 2012-07-30 15:14:44 UTC
I disagree. In fact, I think they will survive because they're the most ruthless and calculating of them all (as is evident by the way they treat their line employees, for example).

But yeah, back on topic, I stick with my EVE = unique game perspective. Why can't we have just one game on the market where sociopaths can be sociopaths, victims can be victims, and the grand majority of people can interact with each other in a simulated, albeit extensively limited, anarchy?

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Lilly Tiger
Megalith Heavy Industries
#138 - 2012-07-30 15:33:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilly Tiger
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
I disagree. In fact, I think they will survive because they're the most ruthless and calculating of them all (as is evident by the way they treat their line employees, for example).

But yeah, back on topic, I stick with my EVE = unique game perspective. Why can't we have just one game on the market where sociopaths can be sociopaths, victims can be victims, and the grand majority of people can interact with each other in a simulated, albeit extensively limited, anarchy?


I'll go out on a limb here and try to answer your question. You and your likeminded peers can't have that because there are more people that want to be able to play another less conflict-focused way. It's that simple.

CCP isn't here to make you feel happy. They are here to make money like all the other gaming companies in the world. Their vision (so far) is free pvp always all over, but if they can make 10x the subscribers by making this into WOW in space, and if their shareholders/board discover this through market research or whatever, they will change the game..

Some of the employees who share your vision might not like their vision being changed, and willl get fired or quit.
The CEO might even share some of your vision and resist it, and he will get a nice severence package and be asked to leave before he is forced out.

This is a game. Games are supposed to be fun.
It is made by a gaming company. Companies want to make money.
More customers find their game(s) fun = more money for the company.

I don't have lots of faith in humanity (I think most of our species are idiots), but I still think there are more gamers out there focused on improving their own gameplay for their enjoyment (PvE or balanced PvP basically), than there are gamers focused on making sure others DON'T enjoy their gameplay (PVP griefing). Allthough with the amount of assholes on the internet, I might be wrong.. Bear

PS: I'm not saying your preference in gaming is wrong or right. Just: Money and majority opinion is what matters. Thank god for fringe games if you have a less than normal taste in games. CCP used to be fringe, now they are growing..
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#139 - 2012-07-30 15:46:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Lilly Tiger wrote:
I'll go out on a limb here and try to answer your question. You and your likeminded peers can't have that because there are more people that want to be able to play another less conflict-focused way. It's that simple.

So why can't they play one of the plethora of games out there that cater to their tastes, and leave this one the way they found it?

Lilly Tiger wrote:
CCP isn't here to make you feel happy. They are here to make money like all the other gaming companies in the world. Their vision (so far) is free pvp always all over, but if they can make 10x the subscribers by making this into WOW in space, and if their shareholders/board discover this through market research or whatever, they will change the game..

I absolutely agree with this. However, that doesn't mean that there isn't enough of an externality in the market for a niche product like "hardcore, original" EVE to exist. In fact, that was kind of CCP's mission statement. If it's simply a matter of CCP wanting to be a much bigger company, then why can't they make another game that appeals to casuals? No, I don't mean shard EVE, but make a different game altogether. Heck, cross-promotion could very well lead to EVE having more subscriptions, despite losing some to the new, casual game.

Why can't we have just one game in the world where we can murder other players without having to wait for them to toggle a flag, or wait for a new TDM round to start?

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#140 - 2012-07-30 16:16:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Why can't we have just one game in the world where we can murder other players without having to wait for them to toggle a flag, or wait for a new TDM round to start?


Because a game like this is already concidered a niche product by todays standards... and there are almost no companies left standing that can cater to a niche audience and prosper... as in, make their publishers/investors happy.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)