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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2081 - 2012-07-30 14:53:00 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Are you even in Nullsec? There's no real money to be had compared to running level 4 missions forever, unless you rat in a carrier.


I've heard you can get 60M/hr ratting. Plus officer spawns... Can be solo'd too.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#2082 - 2012-07-30 14:57:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Shalua Rui wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Unlike that of real life, EVE's economy exists solely because the window gets broken over and over again.


Ok, true, that's one reason why I always thought ALL ships should need maintainance and fuel... oh well.^^

Well, I'm glad you agree with that, because a lot of people don't. Those people view pvpers as an unwanted scourge that hurts their assumed capability for limitless innovation in this game, instead of seeing them as saviors who give their activities of choices the meager meanings they have. In the best case scenario, they just wish that we'd all leave to null and have ourselves some honoUrable pvp death matches so that the demand for the crap they produce doesn't diminish.

They want to profit, but they don't want to be liable for some of the risk that gives industry its purpose. It's these people who are responsible for the type of changes CCP has been implementing lately.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
stoicfaux
#2083 - 2012-07-30 14:57:32 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
Meh, relying on CCP to buff, nerf and otherwise pick sides in the gankers versus miners drama is bad design. Defending or killing miners really should be up to the players. IMO, CCP should have used the CrimeWatch overhaul to fix the ganking problem, specifically by making the criminal flag permanent. If you want to gank someone, go for it, but don't be surprised if the rest of the community/faction hunts you down, sanctions you, revokes your docking privileges, and denies access to station services for being such a twit.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2084 - 2012-07-30 14:57:58 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Are you even in Nullsec? There's no real money to be had compared to running level 4 missions forever, unless you rat in a carrier.


I've heard you can get 60M/hr ratting. Plus officer spawns... Can be solo'd too.


yeah because everyone gets an officer spawn

60m/hr ratting is nothing compared to grinding the incursion equivalent of l2 missions for 120m/hr

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2085 - 2012-07-30 14:58:34 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Meh, relying on CCP to buff, nerf and otherwise pick sides in the gankers versus miners drama is bad design. Defending or killing miners really should be up to the players. IMO, CCP should have used the CrimeWatch overhaul fix the ganking problem, specifically by making the criminal flag permanent. If you want to gank someone, go for it, but don't be surprised if the rest of the community/faction hunts you down, sanctions you, revokes your docking privileges, and denies access to station services for being such a twit.



hahaha get out

let me familiarize you with how sec status works

or i'll just rephrase your dumb ideas: "please make hisec 100% risk-free"

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2086 - 2012-07-30 14:59:59 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
60m/hr ratting is nothing compared to grinding the incursion equivalent of l2 missions for 120m/hr


Even if you blitz L4s you can't get 120M/hr.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#2087 - 2012-07-30 15:00:04 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Meh, relying on CCP to buff, nerf and otherwise pick sides in the gankers versus miners drama is bad design. Defending or killing miners really should be up to the players. IMO, CCP should have used the CrimeWatch overhaul fix the ganking problem, specifically by making the criminal flag permanent. If you want to gank someone, go for it, but don't be surprised if the rest of the community/faction hunts you down, sanctions you, revokes your docking privileges, and denies access to station services for being such a twit.


Tradable kill rights would accomplish the exact same thing. As far as permanent crime flags, a few barge ganks will already put you below -5, making you a free target for anyone, anywhere.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2088 - 2012-07-30 15:01:58 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
60m/hr ratting is nothing compared to grinding the incursion equivalent of l2 missions for 120m/hr


Even if you blitz L4s you can't get 120M/hr.


running vanguards with a non-horrible fleet gets you that, if not more, with ease

and there's literally no risk because even if dudes in blackbirds start suicide jamming logis, CCP will just nerf suicide ECM

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2089 - 2012-07-30 15:02:30 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
or i'll just rephrase your dumb ideas: "please make hisec 100% risk-free"


Says someone who wants Concord and station/gate guns removed from hisec.
Danny Diamonds
Fabricated Reality
#2090 - 2012-07-30 15:02:45 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Meh, relying on CCP to buff, nerf and otherwise pick sides in the gankers versus miners drama is bad design. Defending or killing miners really should be up to the players. IMO, CCP should have used the CrimeWatch overhaul to fix the ganking problem, specifically by making the criminal flag permanent. If you want to gank someone, go for it, but don't be surprised if the rest of the community/faction hunts you down, sanctions you, revokes your docking privileges, and denies access to station services for being such a twit.


I agree that some form of accountability for actions would have a great impact on the game. Seems that CCP prefers to let scum be scum with the only penalty being that you have to be able to factor in the loss of a catalyst.

SEC rating is not properly enforced.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2091 - 2012-07-30 15:03:50 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
CCP Soundwave wrote:
Yeah my point is that I don't think they should be profitable to gank. I think it should be possible, but not necessarily profitable (profitable might be the wrong word, but more that the expenses should be higher for the attacker than the defender).

Well, as long as you get the balance right i dont think anybody can seriously complain...

As it stands, we have cause for concern.

Just one example - Why should an Exhumer get a greater shield resists per level bonus than a HIC?

edit - its as if the stats have been dreamed up by a DEV thats been suicide ganked on his alt account one too many times

So, did anyone answer this question regarding Exhumer resists vs HIC resists i posed the other day?

I'd really like to know

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#2092 - 2012-07-30 15:03:54 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
They want to profit, but they don't want to be liable for some of the risk that gives industry its purpose. It's these people who are responsible for the type of changes CCP has been implementing lately.


Maybe that's part of the reason, true.

PvP is an integral part of EVE and one of the few games where it actually makes sense and has impact... still doesn't mean that I am ok with suicide ganking sprees like hulkageddon, though.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Danny Diamonds
Fabricated Reality
#2093 - 2012-07-30 15:04:03 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
60m/hr ratting is nothing compared to grinding the incursion equivalent of l2 missions for 120m/hr


Even if you blitz L4s you can't get 120M/hr.


running vanguards with a non-horrible fleet gets you that, if not more, with ease

and there's literally no risk because even if dudes in blackbirds start suicide jamming logis, CCP will just nerf suicide ECM


No. Not even close. At least not with any measure of consistency. One hour, you may land 100mil, but the next three may make 20 million total.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2094 - 2012-07-30 15:04:09 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
or i'll just rephrase your dumb ideas: "please make hisec 100% risk-free"


Says someone who wants Concord and station/gate guns removed from hisec.


"oh man i won't have NPCs fight my battles for me, THE HORROR"

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2095 - 2012-07-30 15:04:53 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:

March rabbit wrote:
posting in 100500th thread: "i hate miners"

This is completely new theme! Cool

We don't hate miners; we simply can't bring ourselves to sympathize with the stupid ones.

there is nothing to be proud of when you CANNOT something. Only ability to do something makes you respected by others. Cool

Should I not be proud of my inability to hate people of a specific race, or my inability to kill a person in cold blood for no specific reason? How about my inability to be a child molester?


it's more commendable to be able to do some thing bad, and choose not to do it rather than not doing it because you can't.


Beware you are just saying one of the greatest blasphemies in the current trash "I will do everything unless prevented to" culture.

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Freezehunter
#2096 - 2012-07-30 15:05:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Freezehunter
CCP Soundwave wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Gone are the days where EVE is a dangerous place.

I seem to have missed the part when they made all player ships immune to damage.


That won't happen as long as I'm around, btw.

Suicide ganking wasn't designed to be profitable, it's meant to be an option that let's you punish someone else at your expense. The money you paid for a ship to gank with compared to the money lost by your target was completely off and this change should bring that to a better spot. That said, the numbers can still be adjusted.


Really?

Is that why you put ASB in the game and allowed battlecruiser sized ships to fit dual XL ASBs that can tank 1600 DPS for about 8 minutes?

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2097 - 2012-07-30 15:06:03 UTC
Danny Diamonds wrote:
No. Not even close. At least not with any measure of consistency. One hour, you may land 100mil, but the next three may make 20 million total.


maybe you should run more than a couple of sites in those three hours

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2098 - 2012-07-30 15:06:54 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
"oh man i won't have NPCs fight my battles for me, THE HORROR"


Like tanking Concord is very difficult... L2P.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnjK5EVsIfI
Freezehunter
#2099 - 2012-07-30 15:09:31 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Are you even in Nullsec? There's no real money to be had compared to running level 4 missions forever, unless you rat in a carrier.


I've heard you can get 60M/hr ratting. Plus officer spawns... Can be solo'd too.


That is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard.

Back when I lived in Nullsec I could make 400mil-1.5 bil from running a single Sanctum.

If you did anomalies and escalations you could get rich FAST.

If you only make 60 mil per hour in 0.0 you are doing it VERY wrong.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#2100 - 2012-07-30 15:11:01 UTC
Danny Diamonds wrote:
SEC rating is not properly enforced.

Then enforce it. You're allowed to shoot any -5 or lower character you see. Go to a suicide-gank-heavy system, and sit in the belts with alpha boats/logistics/booster links for the miners.

Or are you saying you want NPCs to enforce it for you?

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted