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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#2061 - 2012-07-30 13:55:00 UTC
OmniBeton wrote:
OP and other "hardcore" PVP players spending their time ganking defenseless ships in hisec should listen to their own advice they've been shouting for so long and LEARN TO ADAPT ! Big smile

We've been doing that after every single change that has been made in favor of high-sec safety. There have been numerous CONCORD buffs, security status nerfs, war declaration nerfs, etc. etc. throughout the years. Meanwhile, the only way [most] miners adapted was by whining about the newest flavor-of-the-month threat that emerged after the previous one was "patched up."

TheGunslinger42 wrote:
It's not surprising that the devs are trying to appeal to the incredibly stupid baby masses - making changes or improvements for the hardc0re 1337 players doesn't help them as a business. Doing stuff like this will potentially draw in or retain the new terribad players. Thats why there's so much focus on frigates, destroyers, mining barges, greyscales awful ideas for crimewatch, etc.

Unfortunately, I agree with this 100%. CCP has tasted a moderate degree of success and now wants WoW in space, and we're not the WoW in space demographic. I've been an active player for over eight years, and I often think about how stunningly casual this game is becoming. Tens, if not hundreds of changes that have boosted safety (not just in high-sec, but in places like null as well), while changes that boosted the element of danger can be counted on one hand, with fingers to spare. Things really picked up the pace when the Privateers were nerfed into oblivion.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2062 - 2012-07-30 13:55:30 UTC
i understand that you're a hisec hulk miner with ~opinions~

but please don't think that your opinions based on evenews24 articles are worth anything

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Danny Diamonds
Fabricated Reality
#2063 - 2012-07-30 13:58:14 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
Almost 100 pages of griefer tears.

Awesome.

Please point out an example of such tears.



There is easily 25 posts in the first few pages of this thread where gankers and gank supporters are crying about the proposed changes. How could you miss them?
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#2064 - 2012-07-30 14:04:59 UTC
Danny Diamonds wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
Almost 100 pages of griefer tears.

Awesome.

Please point out an example of such tears.



There is easily 25 posts in the first few pages of this thread where gankers and gank supporters are crying about the proposed changes. How could you miss them?

Even if the gankers are indeed crying about the changes, the people who so helpfully point it out seem to overlook the decade of crying they themselves have done about anything and everyone that has impeded their ability to mission/mine/circlejerk in peace. It's basically a case of the pot calling the kettle a severely derogatory racial epithet.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2065 - 2012-07-30 14:07:38 UTC
Major Bibi wrote:
woow i never seen a thread grow so fast

I am still convinced that some of you gankers are just crying about the fact that ganking became suddenly so much harder for you

Well i have good news for you guys , there still will be plenty of people around who have no idea about the exhumer buff
so you still will have plenty of targets for you

Apparantly only a relative large group of players never bother reading the forums or any devblog

so stop crying about it


I keep seeing comments about how fast this thread has grown. It is only because of comment #60. I saw that and knew right away this was the forum storm of the year.

From comment #60:

"Suicide ganking wasn't designed to be profitable" CCP Soundwave

If you shout at the top of your lungs, you might hear yourself over the incredibly loud discussion going on here.
Danny Diamonds
Fabricated Reality
#2066 - 2012-07-30 14:10:54 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
103 barrels of ganker tears, I'd say this must be a good year !! -that stuff's gonna be hot !


Gankers are quite happy with the changes to the barges, its the miners who are whining because we can still gank them for profit if they fail to fit a tank or pick the skiff.


What?!
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2067 - 2012-07-30 14:11:18 UTC
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
I keep seeing comments about how fast this thread has grown. It is only because of comment #60. I saw that and knew right away this was the forum storm of the year.

From comment #60:

"Suicide ganking wasn't designed to be profitable" CCP Soundwave

If you shout at the top of your lungs, you might hear yourself over the incredibly loud discussion going on here.


soundwave can say anything he wants to try to put some fluff around the fact that they're screwing the risk/reward balance of the game for the n+1st time

i'm really not sure if he's trying to convince us or himself when he says "well you'll still be able to shoot people in hisec so it's still risky to be there even though we're doing everything we can to discourage it heh!"

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2068 - 2012-07-30 14:11:45 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Even if the gankers are indeed crying about the changes, the people who so helpfully point it out seem to overlook the decade of crying they themselves have done about anything and everyone that has impeded their ability to mission/mine/circlejerk in peace. It's basically a case of the pot calling the kettle a severely derogatory racial epithet.


Nobody is forcing you to play...
Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2069 - 2012-07-30 14:16:41 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Ok... let's pretend for one second that the practice of "suicide ganking" isn't the completly invantile attempt of a bored part of the community, to give a giant middle finger to the systems of a game they should have stopped playing long ago...

... and let's think about what logical reactions this kind of incidents would provoke in game lore terms. Aside from a complete, military lockdown of Jita, ORE R&D departments would most probably work non stop to make their ships more resilient, so their customers could protect themselfes better from those terrorist attacks.

That's my logical conclusion, atleast...


Why would they?

Why would the Caldari lock down Jita? Burning capsuleers ships in Jita is good for business.
Why would ORE make more resilient ships? They profited from Hulkageddon. All those miners had to replace their exhumers.

Roleplay cuts both ways.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2070 - 2012-07-30 14:22:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbara Nichole
Sort of disapointed in ccp for reducing the hulk shield back another 500.. the way it was it didn't even have as much EHP as a T1 battlecrusier... now it's less than half a T1 battlecruiser... for a T2 cruiser of any type this seem short sighted.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2071 - 2012-07-30 14:23:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Sort of disapointed in ccp for reducing the hulk shield back another 500.. the way it was it didn't even have as much EHP as a T1 battlecrusier... not it's less than half... for a T2 cruiser of any type this seem short sighted.


maybe the miners should fit these things called "shield extenders" and "hardeners" instead of having a tank given to them on a silver platter

sorry if you can't make such tough choices like "15% more yield or 300% better tank"

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#2072 - 2012-07-30 14:25:14 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Why would they?

Why would the Caldari lock down Jita? Burning capsuleers ships in Jita is good for business.
Why would ORE make more resilient ships? They profited from Hulkageddon. All those miners had to replace their exhumers.

Roleplay cuts both ways.


You might think so, hu...

Well, make a real world comparison then: What do you think how many mining companies would go out of business when terrorists would start attacking them specifically and in force... what would that do to international industry? Material shortages, sky rocketing prices on anything manufactured out of metal, you get the picture.

In game terms: Sure, ORE would sell more ships in the short run, but if it kept going, they would run out of materials to MAKE these new ships, resulting in higher prices, and before long, the miners wouldn't be able to by the increasingly expensive ships...

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2073 - 2012-07-30 14:26:10 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Why would they?

Why would the Caldari lock down Jita? Burning capsuleers ships in Jita is good for business.
Why would ORE make more resilient ships? They profited from Hulkageddon. All those miners had to replace their exhumers.

Roleplay cuts both ways.


You might think so, hu...

Well, make a real world comparison then: What do you think how many mining companies would go out of business when terrorists would start attacking them specifically and in force... what would that do to international industry? Material shortages, sky rocketing prices on anything manufactured out of metal, you get the picture.

In game terms: Sure, ORE would sell more ships in the short run, but if it kept going, they would run out of materials to MAKE these new ships, resulting in higher prices, and before long, the miners wouldn't be able to by the increasingly expensive ships...


The difference being that New Eden is an hilarious crapsack world of rampant capitalism.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2074 - 2012-07-30 14:28:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbara Nichole
Richard Desturned wrote:
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
I keep seeing comments about how fast this thread has grown. It is only because of comment #60. I saw that and knew right away this was the forum storm of the year.

From comment #60:

"Suicide ganking wasn't designed to be profitable" CCP Soundwave

If you shout at the top of your lungs, you might hear yourself over the incredibly loud discussion going on here.


soundwave can say anything he wants to try to put some fluff around the fact that they're screwing the risk/reward balance of the game for the n+1st time

i'm really not sure if he's trying to convince us or himself when he says "well you'll still be able to shoot people in hisec so it's still risky to be there even though we're doing everything we can to discourage it heh!"


hogwash, this change was long overdue.. and the risk for reward has been out of wack in the favor of combat null sec for too long .. concidering especially that for years we've been hearing from the same people crying now that high sec is not safe, then they proved it.. So when can we expect that reward nerf to be lifted? never ? Well then the new improvement to barges seems very fair.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2075 - 2012-07-30 14:29:27 UTC
Read the chronicles, hardwirings and popular sodas are made out of people.

Ayn Rand would be proud.
Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2076 - 2012-07-30 14:30:17 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
I keep seeing comments about how fast this thread has grown. It is only because of comment #60. I saw that and knew right away this was the forum storm of the year.

From comment #60:

"Suicide ganking wasn't designed to be profitable" CCP Soundwave

If you shout at the top of your lungs, you might hear yourself over the incredibly loud discussion going on here.


soundwave can say anything he wants to try to put some fluff around the fact that they're screwing the risk/reward balance of the game for the n+1st time

i'm really not sure if he's trying to convince us or himself when he says "well you'll still be able to shoot people in hisec so it's still risky to be there even though we're doing everything we can to discourage it heh!"


hogwash, this change was long overdue.. and the risk for reward has been out of wack in the favor of combat null sec for too long .. concidering especially that for years we've been hearing from the same people crying now that high sec is not safe, then they proved it.. So when can we expect that reward nerf to be lifted? never ? Well then the new improvement to barges seems very fair.


Are you even in Nullsec? There's no real money to be had compared to running level 4 missions forever, unless you rat in a carrier.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2077 - 2012-07-30 14:40:59 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
maybe the miners should fit these things called "shield extenders" and "hardeners" instead of having a tank given to them on a silver platter

sorry if you can't make such tough choices like "15% more yield or 300% better tank"


What kind of tank you would suggest?

This fit has 22k EHP with current stats on SiSi.

[Hulk, Tank Fit]

Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#2078 - 2012-07-30 14:42:01 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
You might think so, hu...

Well, make a real world comparison then: What do you think how many mining companies would go out of business when terrorists would start attacking them specifically and in force... what would that do to international industry? Material shortages, sky rocketing prices on anything manufactured out of metal, you get the picture.

Unlike that of real life, EVE's economy exists solely because the window gets broken over and over again.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#2079 - 2012-07-30 14:50:52 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Unlike that of real life, EVE's economy exists solely because the window gets broken over and over again.


Ok, true, that's one reason why I always thought ALL ships should need maintainance and fuel... oh well.^^

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2080 - 2012-07-30 14:52:50 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
hogwash, this change was long overdue.. and the risk for reward has been out of wack in the favor of combat null sec for too long .. concidering especially that for years we've been hearing from the same people crying now that high sec is not safe, then they proved it..


lmao

man i'm glad we don't have to deal with suicide ganks in "combat null-sec," we only have to deal with bubbles, bombs, hotdrops and the threat of losing space

suicide ganks are where it gets ~real~, there's no way to kill a 2k ehp catalyst before it kills you

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration