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Dave Stark
#2021 - 2012-07-30 10:48:46 UTC
Tobiaz wrote:
CCP Soundwave wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Gone are the days where EVE is a dangerous place.

I seem to have missed the part when they made all player ships immune to damage.


That won't happen as long as I'm around, btw.

Suicide ganking wasn't designed to be profitable, it's meant to be an option that let's you punish someone else at your expense. The money you paid for a ship to gank with compared to the money lost by your target was completely off and this change should bring that to a better spot. That said, the numbers can still be adjusted.


It damn well SHOULD be profitable!!!

High risk of getting ganked is pretty much the ONLY balancing factor for flying no-tank-all-yield mining barges. Instead of having to choose between low-risk and profitability, you're now simply handing the miners both. *facepalm*

And what's up with all the miners cheering for this? With all the stupid/greedy/lazy miners being weeded out by gankers, the smarter 'third pig' miners are making a LOT more money. Perhaps you should stop being so stubborn on trying to be piggie #1 and #2, complaining about wolves.


you aren't stopped from ganking miners. you're just going to have to actually incur a loss to do so. just like you have to incur a loss to gank a freighter.

the difference is a freighter can carry enough cargo to make it worth your while; a hulk doesn't.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2022 - 2012-07-30 10:49:14 UTC
Dave stark wrote:


except it can't without both rigs, which is exactly the point. when mining ice you can't fit the tank.


No, when mining ice to it fullest you must fit a smaller tank. If you want the best safety get a skiff.
Pipa Porto
#2023 - 2012-07-30 10:50:09 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:


good point; forgot about those rigs.
and now we have to give up a rig slot to mine ice the ehp buffs are totally justified.


Nope. Because now you have the Skiff. If you're worried about suicide ganking, you use the Skiff. The Mack and Hulk are for other situations where you're not worried about it.


just because it's not a tank ship shouldn't mean it can't fit a tank.


There are 3 factors in a mining ship.

Yield
Cargo
Tank

After a certain amount, Tank doesn't matter because you become expensive to gank.

The current SISI Mack is over that number, so the Skiff's tank is irrelevant.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Dave Stark
#2024 - 2012-07-30 10:51:46 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dave stark wrote:


except it can't without both rigs, which is exactly the point. when mining ice you can't fit the tank.


No, when mining ice to it fullest you must fit a smaller tank. If you want the best safety get a skiff.


i don't want the best safety; i just want to be able to fit a tank without having empty slots because there's not enough cpu on the ship.

i love my drake and it fits 4 bcus and a full tank, that's 4 damage mods. mining barges can't even fit less than that and have a decent tank. do you really not see the issue?
Cloned S0ul
POCKOCMOC Inc.
#2025 - 2012-07-30 10:52:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Cloned S0ul
Posting in epic whine therad because of bargesLol

Best tears harvest time ever.
Dave Stark
#2026 - 2012-07-30 10:52:57 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:


good point; forgot about those rigs.
and now we have to give up a rig slot to mine ice the ehp buffs are totally justified.


Nope. Because now you have the Skiff. If you're worried about suicide ganking, you use the Skiff. The Mack and Hulk are for other situations where you're not worried about it.


just because it's not a tank ship shouldn't mean it can't fit a tank.


There are 3 factors in a mining ship.

Yield
Cargo
Tank

After a certain amount, Tank doesn't matter because you become expensive to gank.

The current SISI Mack is over that number, so the Skiff's tank is irrelevant.


no, there are 2. cargo has been removed from that equation since the dawn of time with jetcans and now with ore bays.

great so ccp have failed at balancing the ships; how does that relate to actually being able to fit a tank to a ship to begin with?
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#2027 - 2012-07-30 10:53:59 UTC
103 barrels of ganker tears, I'd say this must be a good year !! -that stuff's gonna be hot !

brb
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2028 - 2012-07-30 10:55:30 UTC
Dave stark wrote:

i don't want the best safety; i just want to be able to fit a tank without having empty slots because there's not enough cpu on the ship.

i love my drake and it fits 4 bcus and a full tank, that's 4 damage mods. mining barges can't even fit less than that and have a decent tank. do you really not see the issue?


Thats because barges are not combat ships. They are only for mining and thus, fit differently to combat ships. Problem with miners is that they think that they should get the max yeild and still be able to have a good tank. No other ship can do this so why should miners?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2029 - 2012-07-30 10:57:10 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
103 barrels of ganker tears, I'd say this must be a good year !! -that stuff's gonna be hot !


Gankers are quite happy with the changes to the barges, its the miners who are whining because we can still gank them for profit if they fail to fit a tank or pick the skiff.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2030 - 2012-07-30 10:58:24 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Thats because barges are not combat ships. They are only for mining and thus, fit differently to combat ships. Problem with miners is that they think that they should get the max yeild and still be able to have a good tank. No other ship can do this so why should miners?


And you can stop me from using ceptor as hauler or missioning in recon?
Dave Stark
#2031 - 2012-07-30 10:58:35 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dave stark wrote:

i don't want the best safety; i just want to be able to fit a tank without having empty slots because there's not enough cpu on the ship.

i love my drake and it fits 4 bcus and a full tank, that's 4 damage mods. mining barges can't even fit less than that and have a decent tank. do you really not see the issue?


Thats because barges are not combat ships. They are only for mining and thus, fit differently to combat ships. Problem with miners is that they think that they should get the max yeild and still be able to have a good tank. No other ship can do this so why should miners?


if they are only for mining and not combat, why can people shoot at them and engage them in combat? outrageous statements on both sides.

i don't want max yield and a good tank; i want max yield and be able to fill all the slots. i know as soon as i drop the mlus i can fit bulkheads and damage control and have the best tank. by having mlus you're already trading dcu and bulkheads, why should i be further penalised by not being able to fill my mid slots?
again; i can fit a drake with a good tank and max damage is it really that absurd that miners should be able to fit max yield and a good tank? **** i think i can even squeeze a utility [prop mod, painter, scram whatever] mod on to my drake too with that setup. so saying no other ship can do it it is utter crap, the drake quite adequately does it.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2032 - 2012-07-30 11:01:25 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
Almost 100 pages of griefer tears.

Awesome.

Please point out an example of such tears.

Start at Page 1 with Post #1. Go from there.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Pipa Porto
#2033 - 2012-07-30 11:03:36 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Thats because barges are not combat ships. They are only for mining and thus, fit differently to combat ships. Problem with miners is that they think that they should get the max yeild and still be able to have a good tank. No other ship can do this so why should miners?


And you can stop me from using ceptor as hauler or missioning in recon?


Of course we can't stop you, but we can gank you if you do. Ceptors and Recons who aren't paying attention are really easy to gank (especially since your Recon will have to be active tanked).

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#2034 - 2012-07-30 11:04:30 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
103 barrels of ganker tears, I'd say this must be a good year !! -that stuff's gonna be hot !


Gankers are quite happy with the changes to the barges, its the miners who are whining because we can still gank them for profit if they fail to fit a tank or pick the skiff.




Not all of them just the good ones, and those seems pretty clear nothing will stop them because they use "brains" before F1 so I have nothing against those, but I do against the majority of no brainers F1 mongoloids filling these barrels of tears.
I'm sure you've noticed it too.

brb
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2035 - 2012-07-30 11:05:25 UTC
Dave stark wrote:

if they are only for mining and not combat, why can people shoot at them and engage them in combat? outrageous statements on both sides.

i don't want max yield and a good tank; i want max yield and be able to fill all the slots. i know as soon as i drop the mlus i can fit bulkheads and damage control and have the best tank. by having mlus you're already trading dcu and bulkheads, why should i be further penalised by not being able to fill my mid slots?
again; i can fit a drake with a good tank and max damage is it really that absurd that miners should be able to fit max yield and a good tank? **** i think i can even squeeze a utility [prop mod, painter, scram whatever] mod on to my drake too with that setup. so saying no other ship can do it it is utter crap, the drake quite adequately does it.


You can shoot them because they are a ship and this is EVE.

[Hulk, Impossible mids]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I
Rock-Scanning Sensor Array I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Yep, impossibleRoll
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2036 - 2012-07-30 11:06:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Thats because barges are not combat ships. They are only for mining and thus, fit differently to combat ships. Problem with miners is that they think that they should get the max yeild and still be able to have a good tank. No other ship can do this so why should miners?


And you can stop me from using ceptor as hauler or missioning in recon?


Of course we can't stop you, but we can gank you if you do. Ceptors and Recons who aren't paying attention are really easy to gank (especially since your Recon will have to be active tanked).


And because of that Pilgrim is such a terrible all-in-one exploration ship...

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Pilgrim#Excellent_at_Solo_Exploration
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2037 - 2012-07-30 11:07:02 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:




Not all of them just the good ones, and those seems pretty clear nothing will stop them because they use "brains" before F1 so I have nothing against those, but I do against the majority of no brainers F1 mongoloids filling these barrels of tears.
I'm sure you've noticed it too.


Oh yes, the stupids will cry and I look forwards to them ramming into my skiff when the changes go live.
Dave Stark
#2038 - 2012-07-30 11:07:30 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dave stark wrote:

if they are only for mining and not combat, why can people shoot at them and engage them in combat? outrageous statements on both sides.

i don't want max yield and a good tank; i want max yield and be able to fill all the slots. i know as soon as i drop the mlus i can fit bulkheads and damage control and have the best tank. by having mlus you're already trading dcu and bulkheads, why should i be further penalised by not being able to fill my mid slots?
again; i can fit a drake with a good tank and max damage is it really that absurd that miners should be able to fit max yield and a good tank? **** i think i can even squeeze a utility [prop mod, painter, scram whatever] mod on to my drake too with that setup. so saying no other ship can do it it is utter crap, the drake quite adequately does it.


You can shoot them because they are a ship and this is EVE.

[Hulk, Impossible mids]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I
Rock-Scanning Sensor Array I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Yep, impossibleRoll


i can't even be bothered to pyfa that to see how much ehp it has, besides it's almost lunch time.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2039 - 2012-07-30 11:09:14 UTC
Dave stark wrote:


i can't even be bothered to pyfa that to see how much ehp it has, besides it's almost lunch time.


Enough to laugh at 4 catalysts in 0.7 space.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#2040 - 2012-07-30 11:10:05 UTC  |  Edited by: TheGunslinger42
It's not surprising that the devs are trying to appeal to the incredibly stupid baby masses - making changes or improvements for the hardc0re 1337 players doesn't help them as a business. Doing stuff like this will potentially draw in or retain the new terribad players. Thats why there's so much focus on frigates, destroyers, mining barges, greyscales awful ideas for crimewatch, etc.