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The Battle for Kourmonen

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-07-30 08:10:48 UTC
from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/07/faction-warfare-battle-for-kourmonen.html

When Nulli Secunda picks up, leaves faction warfare, I hope that the Amarr continue to realize the strength and power they've found within themselves.

(The linked faction warfare map is the basis for all cardinal directions in this post. All references to the Amarr will connote Amarr militia alliances, excluding Nulli Secunda. Nulli will be referred to as a separate entity, as they are not a permanent fixture in the ongoing war.)

The Amarr are realizing that they have numbers. Very large numbers. And when they want to work together, they can be more than just an annoyance to the Minmatar. They can be a downright threat.

The Amarr have been controlling the battlefields through most of the weekend during most timezones. They can throw the manpower at the problem. They've always had the numbers, since the day Fweddit joined them, but they've never seemed willing to admit to those numbers. With Nulli Secunda entering Minmatar territory from the west, the Amarr have decided to become a threat in the east. Nulli Secunda have not been in evidence on the eastern lines, yet the Amarr are overflowing with p!ss and vinegar. Their numbers aren't being bolstered by their nullsec friends, they are doing this themselves, though beginning to realize that they never needed Nulli to do what they are now doing. The psychological boost that Nulli has given their war effort has been enormous. And when Nulli is eventually gone, the Amarr are going to be faced with a crossroads: return to their self-debasement and oh-whoa-is-me attitude, skulking in their one system, bemoaning the conspiracy of mechanics that keeps them down; or, are they going to stop, look themselves in the mirror, coming to the great realization that "Dammit all, we did this ourselves and we can continue doing it!"

Yes, the Amarr have become a threat. This is what the Minmatar have been expecting to happen for some time. Eventually Fweddit's skills were going to outgrow shitfit T1 frigates, they were going to stop dying in droves. The Amarr were no longer going to present only goodfights and killboard padding. The Amarr were eventually going to present real territorial challenge, a threat to the entire frontline, a threat to the systems, although deep into Amarr space, that have been home to the Minmatar for a long long while now.

The Battle for Kourmonen
Kourmonen is the battle that defines Minmatar/Amarr faction warfare going forward. If the Amarr can be stopped from taking the system, they likely crawl back into their hole of malaise, content with their four systems and the good fights. If the Amarr take Kourmonen, they realize their power, start sweeping out across lowsec, their goal to show their once servants what constant T1 warzone control feels like.

Most of the weekend was spent defensive plexing Kourmonen and Huola, the two systems where most Minmatar stage. The Amarr were able to get Kourmonen to 50% contested, and Huola to about 30%. By late Sunday (EVE time), Huola was back under 10%, while Kourmonen remained a struggle, hovering at 45% contested.



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Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-07-30 08:19:54 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/07/faction-warfare-battle-for-kourmonen.html

When Nulli Secunda picks up, leaves faction warfare, I hope that the Amarr continue to realize the strength and power they've found within themselves.

(The linked faction warfare map is the basis for all cardinal directions in this post. All references to the Amarr will connote Amarr militia alliances, excluding Nulli Secunda. Nulli will be referred to as a separate entity, as they are not a permanent fixture in the ongoing war.)

The Amarr are realizing that they have numbers. Very large numbers. And when they want to work together, they can be more than just an annoyance to the Minmatar. They can be a downright threat.

The Amarr have been controlling the battlefields through most of the weekend during most timezones. They can throw the manpower at the problem. They've always had the numbers, since the day Fweddit joined them, but they've never seemed willing to admit to those numbers. With Nulli Secunda entering Minmatar territory from the west, the Amarr have decided to become a threat in the east. Nulli Secunda have not been in evidence on the eastern lines, yet the Amarr are overflowing with p!ss and vinegar. Their numbers aren't being bolstered by their nullsec friends, they are doing this themselves, though beginning to realize that they never needed Nulli to do what they are now doing. The psychological boost that Nulli has given their war effort has been enormous. And when Nulli is eventually gone, the Amarr are going to be faced with a crossroads: return to their self-debasement and oh-whoa-is-me attitude, skulking in their one system, bemoaning the conspiracy of mechanics that keeps them down; or, are they going to stop, look themselves in the mirror, coming to the great realization that "Dammit all, we did this ourselves and we can continue doing it!"

Yes, the Amarr have become a threat. This is what the Minmatar have been expecting to happen for some time. Eventually Fweddit's skills were going to outgrow shitfit T1 frigates, they were going to stop dying in droves. The Amarr were no longer going to present only goodfights and killboard padding. The Amarr were eventually going to present real territorial challenge, a threat to the entire frontline, a threat to the systems, although deep into Amarr space, that have been home to the Minmatar for a long long while now.

The Battle for Kourmonen
Kourmonen is the battle that defines Minmatar/Amarr faction warfare going forward. If the Amarr can be stopped from taking the system, they likely crawl back into their hole of malaise, content with their four systems and the good fights. If the Amarr take Kourmonen, they realize their power, start sweeping out across lowsec, their goal to show their once servants what constant T1 warzone control feels like.

Most of the weekend was spent defensive plexing Kourmonen and Huola, the two systems where most Minmatar stage. The Amarr were able to get Kourmonen to 50% contested, and Huola to about 30%. By late Sunday (EVE time), Huola was back under 10%, while Kourmonen remained a struggle, hovering at 45% contested.



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TLDR

But I'm guessing the point was "FW is boring and I wish I wasn't part of it."

I'm back!

Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-07-30 08:25:20 UTC
Jude Lloyd wrote:
TLDR

But I'm guessing the point was "FW is boring and I wish I wasn't part of it."
I suppose really clever and fascinating people could sit on the Amamake/Osoggur gate all day. That is, of course, one of the most exciting things you can do in this game.
Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-07-30 08:27:24 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Jude Lloyd wrote:
TLDR

But I'm guessing the point was "FW is boring and I wish I wasn't part of it."
I suppose really clever and fascinating people could sit on the Amamake/Osoggur gate all day. That is, of course, one of the most exciting things you can do in this game.


I wouldn't know, I rarely camp =]

I'm back!

Salicaz
Verrimus Caelum
#5 - 2012-07-30 09:17:56 UTC
The problem has never been the pvp. The minmitar were gifted with unbalanced rats etc from the start. The thing we couldn't compete with was the farmers you all had dictating where we could dock.

The pvp is happening, and numbers are more balanced since all the systems are vunerable there is nowhere left for all the alts to farm. Thus most have left/joined amarr.

The wheel of FW continues to turn, albiet retardedly now and driven by null alts.
Lexmana
#6 - 2012-07-30 09:58:00 UTC
Quote:
I still think the smart thing to do would be for the Minmatar, using Amarr alts, to flip these systems into Amarr control ourselves.

I have been waiting for that to happen. This is EVE after all. And there might be quite a few Amarrians that would support that just to feed their Minmatar farming alts. If that ever happens it will create a mess and mechanics are such that if we would shoot these traitors we lose standing and even risk being kicked out of our own militia. That might be the final straw for some Amarrians. We are fighting broken mechanics more the we are fighting Minmatar militia.


Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#7 - 2012-07-30 10:11:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Just wanted to remind those Amarr farmers they can also get LP's by running Galentte plexes. Rumor has it Gals are finally gonna go for a LP dump and try to flip all those systems they have vulnerable on our war front.. This means there will be tons Gal systems to farm LP's in if they manage to take all those vulnerable system they been stacking up.

I must say that looking at Amarr's VP's from yesterday is pretty insane.. was 47k. Caldari usually only hits 20-23k. There is no way Minmatar will hold up with that kind of offensive plexing going on as there is no way to defend against it.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#8 - 2012-07-30 13:12:59 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:

When Nulli Secunda picks up, leaves faction warfare, I hope that the Amarr continue to realize the strength and power they've found within themselves.


you are so funny

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#9 - 2012-07-30 13:15:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Bad Messenger
Mutnin wrote:
Just wanted to remind those Amarr farmers they can also get LP's by running Galentte plexes. Rumor has it Gals are finally gonna go for a LP dump and try to flip all those systems they have vulnerable on our war front.. This means there will be tons Gal systems to farm LP's in if they manage to take all those vulnerable system they been stacking up.

I must say that looking at Amarr's VP's from yesterday is pretty insane.. was 47k. Caldari usually only hits 20-23k. There is no way Minmatar will hold up with that kind of offensive plexing going on as there is no way to defend against it.


you have remind that caldari plexers who help amarr are not getting VP at all, so actual amount of plexes taken is much bigger than stats show up
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#10 - 2012-07-30 13:37:02 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
you have remind that caldari plexers who help amarr are not getting VP at all, so actual amount of plexes taken is much bigger than stats show up


Indeed. NAERY should have enough isk for a, say, sizable capital fleet after next LP dump when all our alts from Operation "s.it on sandbox" cash in. We wont buy one of course since there is nothing much we do with it but should keep us funded for the time being and we can ponder what to do next while sitting on a ridiculous pile of isk Lol

David Clausewitz
David Clausewitz Corporation
#11 - 2012-07-30 14:24:44 UTC  |  Edited by: David Clausewitz
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
They've always had the numbers, since the day Fweddit joined them


Wrong.

Now we do though. Oh how the tables have turned.

edit: I wish I hadn't read the rest of it. I should have just stopped at that and realized it was going to be __________ (get creative).
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-07-30 15:29:31 UTC
David Clausewitz wrote:
Now we do though. Oh how the tables have turned.
Yes.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-07-30 15:49:11 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
When Nulli Secunda picks up, leaves faction warfare, I hope that the Amarr continue to realize the strength and power they've found within themselves.
you are so funny
I may have been watching too much of the Olympics.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#14 - 2012-07-30 15:49:57 UTC
Speaking of numbers can someone post, empirically, the total number of players in Amarr Militia and the total number of players in Minmatar Militia?














And do back up the numbers you post.









































































I'll wait.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#15 - 2012-07-30 16:06:51 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
Just wanted to remind those Amarr farmers they can also get LP's by running Galentte plexes. Rumor has it Gals are finally gonna go for a LP dump and try to flip all those systems they have vulnerable on our war front.. This means there will be tons Gal systems to farm LP's in if they manage to take all those vulnerable system they been stacking up.

Please be polite and wait to plex until AFTER the LP dump. Until then please continue to plex all of the Gallente owned "infinitely vulnerable" systems that have been set aside for Caldari/Amarr alt plex farming.
Name Family Name
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-07-30 16:21:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Name Family Name
Xuixien wrote:
Speaking of numbers can someone post, empirically, the total number of players in Amarr Militia and the total number of players in Minmatar Militia?

And do back up the numbers you post.

I'll wait.



I suppose you mean the numbers given on the ingame militia statistics page (min 7389, Amarr 5668) are off?

(genuine question - I wouldn't know)

_________________

Anyway - it will be interesting to see what will happen with FW - as I see it, it would be in Minmatars best interest for all the systems getting flipped by nulli, farming with Amarr alts at the same time and take them back after nulli left and cash out eventually.


Rinse and repeat.

There are some very, very mad Minmatar alts in Amarr Militia chat - and quite honestly, I don't get what they're mad about - having characters in both militias, I'm happy with the situation, no matter which side 'wins'.

Also, I doubt Amarr will be able to continue to fight once Nulli is out - currently, you just see a lot of people plexing on their Amarr alts whilst they farmed on their Minmatar alts before.

Not sure about the current balance of power, but once Nulli is out, I guess Amarr would be heavily outblobbed when shooting ihubs, except if Fwedit would batphone for help.
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-07-30 16:26:31 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Speaking of numbers can someone post, empirically, the total number of players in Amarr Militia and the total number of players in Minmatar Militia?
I'll wait.



The stats via API show Amarr 5668, Minmatar 7389 but as all things the game can't tell who's active etc of course.

Fweddit as example doesn't have anywhere like the 600 people our corp shows, we don't kick inactive people or anything like that so we've got people that made a character and never came back in corp and lots that will come and go when bored in nullsec or high sec people like myself that come and go depending on how busy we are doing production etc.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#18 - 2012-07-30 16:29:12 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Speaking of numbers can someone post, empirically, the total number of players in Amarr Militia and the total number of players in Minmatar Militia?
I'll wait.



The stats via API show Amarr 5668, Minmatar 7389 but as all things the game can't tell who's active etc of course.

Fweddit as example doesn't have anywhere like the 600 people our corp shows, we don't kick inactive people or anything like that so we've got people that made a character and never came back in corp and lots that will come and go when bored in nullsec or high sec people like myself that come and go depending on how busy we are doing production etc.


The game can't tell who's active and that screen also does not indicate if it's just showing TLF/24IC or the sum of all pilots, Alliances included.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-07-30 16:58:13 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Speaking of numbers can someone post, empirically, the total number of players in Amarr Militia and the total number of players in Minmatar Militia?
I'll wait.



The stats via API show Amarr 5668, Minmatar 7389 but as all things the game can't tell who's active etc of course.

Fweddit as example doesn't have anywhere like the 600 people our corp shows, we don't kick inactive people or anything like that so we've got people that made a character and never came back in corp and lots that will come and go when bored in nullsec or high sec people like myself that come and go depending on how busy we are doing production etc.


The game can't tell who's active and that screen also does not indicate if it's just showing TLF/24IC or the sum of all pilots, Alliances included.


I'd assume it's the total sum given I've never seen 5000+ NPC corp people hanging out in kamela but I'd also suggest it doesn't update very often as it's not gone up since Nulli joined.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#20 - 2012-07-30 17:01:22 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Speaking of numbers can someone post, empirically, the total number of players in Amarr Militia and the total number of players in Minmatar Militia?
I'll wait.



The stats via API show Amarr 5668, Minmatar 7389 but as all things the game can't tell who's active etc of course.

Fweddit as example doesn't have anywhere like the 600 people our corp shows, we don't kick inactive people or anything like that so we've got people that made a character and never came back in corp and lots that will come and go when bored in nullsec or high sec people like myself that come and go depending on how busy we are doing production etc.


The game can't tell who's active and that screen also does not indicate if it's just showing TLF/24IC or the sum of all pilots, Alliances included.


I'd assume it's the total sum given I've never seen 5000+ NPC corp people hanging out in kamela but I'd also suggest it doesn't update very often as it's not gone up since Nulli joined.


I haven't seen 5000 people hanging out in Kamela period.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

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