Jita Park Speakers Corner

from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/07/csm7-useful-and-useless.html

The CSM/CCP Summit minutes are just around the corner. They are more than just the minutes we've come to accept from the CSM, these will be nearly 200 pages of in-depth coverage of all three days of the summit. Every session in the sort of detail we've been demanding. More a Summit Report than Summit Minutes.

So, who gets tasked with writing the minutes? Trebor's own opinion on this seems reasonable:

So, who did what on this mammoth project? Three, of the seven, who went to Iceland did no work at all on the Summit Report, in any capacity, and two of those can, maybe, be forgiven due to language barrier issues.

Seleene (Chairman)
No work done, though did write three mammoth blog posts on the summit, to keep the playerbase informed. These posts most closely resembled the minutes of old. So in a sense, players got their minutes exceptionally quickly due to Seleene, while the much larger report was being written, compiled and approved.

Trebor Daehdoow (Vice Chairman)
CSM Intro / Whitepaper, Stakeholder, Player Experience - Launcher, Art, EVE Economy, New Player Experience.

Two Step (Secretary)
EVE/DUST Link, Starbase Rework, Content.

Elise Randolph
Live Events, Ship Balance.

Greene Lee
No work done. Language issue, as Russian is his first language.

Kelduum Revaan
No work done, not even on his pet interests New Player Experience, Corporate Management or Crimewatch.

UAxDEATH
No work done, Language issue, as Russian is his first language.

Hans Jagerblitzen (Vice Secretary)
Corporation Management, EVE UI, Wardecs and Crimewatch, Faction Warfare, Treaties.

Meissa Anunthiel
No work done.

Dovinian
Security

Issler Dainze
Industry and Mining

Alekseyev Karrde
State of Incarna, Nullsec

Darius III
No work done.

Concerning, UAxDEATH and Greene Lee, I'll leave it up to the Russian-speaking community in EVE Online to determine if they've been good candidates, whether their communications have been adequate or not. (Greene Lee has been taking some of the CSM-related English-language posts and translating them for the Russian-language section of the forums.) So I won't make any comment on whether they've been doing enough or not as CSM elect, and especially as CSM elect who get the privilege of a trip to Iceland.

Of the English-speaking CSM members who took a trip to Iceland, only Kelduum Revaan has not contributed to the Summit Report. Apparently his reason: a busy workload.

As active as Kelduum was in the run-up to the election -- his lengthy forum posts and appearances on podcasts -- he's all but vanished since he was elected. No blog or forum posts to speak of (except to defend himself and/or his alliance). And I don't recall any podcast appearances since April. He's often logged into the game, and he is on Skype regularly, so his heavy workload hasn't effected that aspect of his EVE experience. Oddly, he was able to squeeze in a three day trip to Iceland, yet a couple hours, here and there, for a podcast interview, all but impossible.

Meissa is the oldest CSM member, but seems stuck in the old way that the CSM ran. Silence, silence, and more silence. Did not offer any assistance on the Summit Report.

Darius III is a useless lump. Rarely logs into the CCP/CSM Skype server. Rarely offers up any opinion on any subject. Not sure why he ran, other than to take a seat from someone else. I'm not going to blame myself for him getting elected (I cast all my votes for Hans), but I did make a post or two about him being a worthy candidate. I feel much shame having done that. He's tricky come election time, and I understand why The Mittani despises him.

Hans and Trebor are definitely the hardest working of the CSM elect. Looking at their Summit Report output is proof of that. Hans has even gone further, because during the report writing period he was still making long posts on the forums, appearing on podcasts, and had a 3-hour AMA (Ask Me Anything) session on Reddit. Both Hans and Trebor are passionate about EVE Online, and show it through the amount of work they do for the community.

With a few notable exceptions, this has been the hardest working CSM the players have had the fortune of representing them. Many of these people deserve to be elected next year, and a few do not.

Oh NOW you're full of comments.

lol right.

Worked well enough for him in the last CSM election.

CSM infighting perhaps? Doesn't bode well.

Especially when public opinion thinks CSM 7 was largely a Do-Nothing group of mutes.

You shouldn't be afraid to name these people. If you don't call out the useless, they continue to be your competition next year.

There has been frustration in the CSM 7 that the minutes aren't in your hands yet and I haven't been posting much waiting to see what we can talk about once CCP has had their way with the minutes with their NDA-afier.

As for many of the other CSM, I see them being active in forums from time to time and there are some blogs worth checking once in a while.

I know I've certainly offered some opinions about the war dec changes, the mining barges and Technetium changes coming up and been in a couple of other threads when I thought I could add something. One thing to keep in mind, for some of us this is when we take summer vacations. I know the summer has impacted my Eve time (like it does every year) since the 4 weeks of decent weather in Seattle happen about now. :-)

Issler

Thanks for admitting that.

You're deluded.

This was the guy who said "Drone Regions will be changed to normal rats, there, mining is fixed."

Given all the work that has gone into this CSM regarding mining this year, can you honestly not say this was at the very least a view with no basis in reality ?

Meanwhile he was playing around with Titan nerfs because PL were blobbing titans at his alliance, while starbases, contracts, and manufacturing were taking a back seat.

What a deluded point of view to say Mittani helped the whole player base.
Mittani helped himself and did the bare minimum in areas that didn't concern him.

I suppose my views might be different of course if I were "chummy" with him.

Given that any changes you make to mining mechanics would be completely and utterly worthless when there's huge sources of non-mined minerals in the game (both Drone Region alloys and meta-0 loot drops from rats), I'd say it's pretty firmly based in reality. It's not a coincidence that mining went up quite largely in all regions of space since both of those changes went live.

Of course it can use MORE work insofar as making the actual mechanics more interesting, or your ideas on having more in-game resources for corp-wide mining ops, that sort of thing. Without the above changes to actually make the mining profession worthwhile though, it all would have been for nought.