Warfare & Tactics

"Everyone can fit for max DPS now and not worry about things like utility." : ASB's: dumbing EVE down 1 engagement at a time.

"I beat it so it's not OP." : Not a valid argument anymore than "it beat me so its OP" is.

Bets it's a good time to start training Gallente.

You also have to factor in the possibility of alpha, a Plated/Extended setup has advantages in remote repping and using 100% of its EHP all the time even under high dps.

The booster has the advantage of being able to reload if burst is low and able to get out of fire for an extended time.

It seems pretty clear to me that by the numbers the guy you quoted provided:

MSE roughly equals a MASB
LSE the same with LASB
No XLSE exists, same for armor where no XL Repp exists, there you got 1600plates instead. So XLASB is shields version of 1600 plates.

XLASE seems OP to ppl couse shields in the XL size has always been underpowered, no Active or passive option for it unthil now. And XLSB needs battery in pvp. You can argue all you want about damage modds. But the second and third dmg modd aint = Web/MWW,AB . Not even close.

1:Mid needs Scram in pvp. Low needs 1 DMG modd.
2:Second mid is MWD or Web, you NEED atleast 1 way to dictate or counter range dictation. Second DMG modd? its good but it can be sacrificed.
3:Third slot another range dictator for mid, highly needed since most armor tanks have it, not a must.
Third DMG modd? can easily be switched if other modd could be say Web or mwd lol.
4:fourth mid can be awesome for Battery usually to counter nos etc.
fourth dmg modd? lol only for shield ships who dont have anything else to put there... or PvE ships.

Then you have stuff like ECCM/targeting/tracking/painting/we.. All these modds are usually more powerful on the midslot version, but these modules are easily removed on both setups.


I think ppl are bitchy becouse of 2 reasons:
- Active tanking is booring to the attacker, it looks like the ship is going down but it int, it feels like it should be dead but its not! When in reality a plated version would stay alive pretty similar.
- XL shield tanking was not doable, now it has gotten a boost+battery+amplifier in 1 slot with 60second reload drawback. This puts large shield tankers on the map again with extra slots, and ppl are not used to getting spanked by "scrub" ships of the past.

Now personally i can see a nerf (especially in 2x ASB setups) inc, but i hope its minor couse the module is in a good spot. Im abit concerned on the T2 version thou, as the current t1 meta 1 is good as it is, meta and t2 might be to much :D

The Alliance Tournament is designed around creating an arena that is "fair" and competitive based on the points system and ship limitations with timed matches. You criticize my arguments, but then turn right around and use the Alliance Tournament as the basis for small gang balance debate? Please. Why don't we just complain that all the other things that aren't allowed in the alliance tournament create balance issues where small gang warfare is concerned and NOT because they don't work well with the arbitrary rules format of the tournament.

The fact that you're still arguing 4 pages later and haven't really brought up any new points other than poorly constructed points pretty much just confirms that you're just trolling. You also seem to be unable to grasp the fact that this helps small gang warfare much more than it hurts it, because now you can potentially attempt to fly around solo or in small gangs and fight outnumbered without flying nano, have alt logi/falcons, or using an expensive active tanking fit with drugs and links.

How is arguing that something is beatable makes it not OP an invalid arguement? If people are beating ASB setups, then its clearly not OP. You just argued that amount of people that are winning or losing to ASB setups isn't a valid arguement if its OP or not. Seriously, I salute your troll since it did manage to last 4 pages and even sucked me in.

Because "overpowered" and "unbeatable" are two different things? Because being "beatable" is not the only qualifier for balance?

Are you really that stupid? Really?



Actually, I never said that. Learn to read, and then go on back and work through my post again.

No no, ASB's are fine as long as they beat him eventually. Just ask Pinky Feldman.

Cool story bro, the fact that you've been reduced to arguing semantics and STILL haven't made a solid or unique point just shows how little you know what you're talking about. So please, keep posting "umad" responses because all you're doing is making yourself look bad. In fact I just looked up your killboard and after seeing that less than 200 kills with a 2:1 kd ratio its no wonder you are so clueless about PVP in EVE.

ASB is great because its a huge boon to the solo PVPer and ships that previously either required super expensive fits to use or were just plain useless now are viable for PVP. For some reason you seem offended that CCP introduced a new module that breaks the status quo and opens up new PVP possibilities and setups by actually being useful. Though the fact that you're in Ushra'Khan means you're probably just trolling to which I say 10/10. Anyways, I'm done replying here since after 4 pages you still have yet to bring up a compelling arguement.

For how long did he tank that DPS once it started on him?
How long would it have taken to die with a XL Extended/Plated setup?

I know its hard to imagine a sleipnir in armor plated and there is no XL extenders... but i bet you if it was a armor plated ship surviving as long as that sleipnir none would have raised an eyebrow, since at no point did the armor "go up" hence its fine? right?

All I know is that I have lost two Cyclones with ASB equipped. In both cases my ship popped before I ran out of charges. Turns out 7 Thorax’s > 1 Large ASB. Maybe I need to equip an XL ASB, or maybe get one of those Paladins from WOW to bubble my ship.

Edit: Which is to say, they don’t make you invaluable. You can chew through an ASB even before it runs out of charges, just as you can chew through 1600 plate quickly if you have enough DPS. And if you don’t have enough DPS, then you just need more time, just like chewing through a 1600 plate buffer tank.