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Rattler for lvl 4s
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LemmingwithDigntity
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-07-28 17:40:51 UTC
I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for improving this for doing lvl 4s in Amarr space?
[Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake: Lvl 4 ]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II


Garde II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Warden II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Bill Serkoff2
Tachyon Technology
#2 - 2012-07-28 18:54:38 UTC
Looks okay. Ya' might want some shield extenders and rechargers, and maybe an Invuln or two.

"The Cyclone and the Drake are two ships which will basically never be good for shield tanking, primarily because they have almost no lowslots in addition to shield tanking bonuses. " -Iam Widdershins
Unimaginative Guy
Dutch Squad
#3 - 2012-07-28 20:58:58 UTC
Ditch those rigs its pretty much wasted money. The rest looks pretty decent honestly. With the new drone damage amps the rattler gets respectable damage output and is afk friendly.
Belthazor4011
Battle BV Redux
#4 - 2012-07-28 23:24:23 UTC
The tank is total sh*t even with the T2 rigs. It can never tank a full agro level 4.

If you wanna watch triggers and stuff then there are much better ships anyways...

If you wanna use the new DDA's the only way to go is active.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-07-29 04:39:54 UTC
Windorian
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-07-29 06:21:42 UTC
Rattlesnake is, and always will be, one of my favourite ships. Here's some pointers.

Drop one drone dmg mod for another shield power relay. The minor loss to dps is worth the huge boost to tank.

Swap the 3rd omni directional for a large shield extender, a 3rd omni is really not needed with t2 sentries and good skills.

I would go 1 invul fields, 2 EM hardener, 2 omni's, 2 extenders for mids.

And swap those wardens for Curators please. They work perfect on the rattler. Use gardes for stuff 15-45km, then swap to curators and with 2 omni's, you can easily hit 40-80km. I pop frigates faster then i can lock them.

Also, it's probably just me but i prefer torps to cruise. The long range of cruise is nice, but usually my drones have killed stuff before that matters, and the extra DPS of torps is more noticable when there actually is close targets (>35km).
LemmingwithDigntity
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-07-29 10:41:46 UTC
Windorian wrote:
Rattlesnake is, and always will be, one of my favourite ships. Here's some pointers.

Drop one drone dmg mod for another shield power relay. The minor loss to dps is worth the huge boost to tank.

Swap the 3rd omni directional for a large shield extender, a 3rd omni is really not needed with t2 sentries and good skills.

I would go 1 invul fields, 2 EM hardener, 2 omni's, 2 extenders for mids.

And swap those wardens for Curators please. They work perfect on the rattler. Use gardes for stuff 15-45km, then swap to curators and with 2 omni's, you can easily hit 40-80km. I pop frigates faster then i can lock them.

Also, it's probably just me but i prefer torps to cruise. The long range of cruise is nice, but usually my drones have killed stuff before that matters, and the extra DPS of torps is more noticable when there actually is close targets (>35km).




Thanks for a detailed reply :D I pinched the fit off a mate of mine but he knows bog all !
stoicfaux
#8 - 2012-07-29 14:23:21 UTC
Windorian wrote:
the extra DPS of torps is more noticable when there actually is close targets (>35km).

Doubtful. Unless you fit ~3 TPs and a Flare rig, I don't think torps will outperform cruise missiles.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-07-29 14:46:01 UTC
Frankly, with the introduction of damage mods it seems to me like it'd just be better to have one or two alt accounts on 51 day "extended trials" in drakes to tank missions for you while you kit out your rattlesnake purely for damage.

[Rattlesnake, Fire Support]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

X-Large Shield Booster II
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Drone Navigation Computer II
Drone Navigation Computer II
Drone Navigation Computer II

Torpedo Launcher II, Inferno Javelin Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Inferno Javelin Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Inferno Javelin Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Inferno Javelin Torpedo
Drone Link Augmentor I
'Recusant' Hostile Targeting Array I

Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I


Garde II x5
Ogre II x5

It's a very tight fit, but it has decent damage projection, if not necessarily damage application due to the large explosion radius and low velocities of torpedoes in comparison to cruise missiles, and thanks to being able to devote so many mid slots to drone modules it can easily fit 3 omni links and 3 nav computers (so long as someone else tanks of course) so that it can park and sentry down battleships and battlecruisers, suck them up, and deploy 5 heavies to take out everything else as it makes its way to the next accel. gate or aligns to something for a quick warp out when the mission's over.

At the moment, however, when dealing with such a "dedicated fire support" role the navy dominix is probably a better choice simply because guns apply damage instantly and it has a real damage bonus for hybrids giving it comparable damage with long-ranged ammo despite having over twice the effective range. At least for any content where railguns are a better choice for damage than EM or explosive missiles.

Not, I'm sure, what the OP wants, but after years of multi-boxing missions it just seems more natural to me to work more with dedicated ship roles and specialized builds.
Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#10 - 2012-07-29 21:52:00 UTC
Has anyone tried an XL-booster + 3 hardener setup on a Rattler?

I was Pyfa-ing around the other day, ended up with this:

[Rattlesnake, Inferno Rattler (Active)]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Thermic Dissipation Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Garde II x5
Curator II x5




Fine burst tank, significant EHP to chew through. Just shy of 900 DPS (most of it drones), with decent projection all the way out to lock range. I'm pretty sure I've flown worse.

Tank would of course be even flimsier against EM/Thermal.

Any thoughts from those who have actually flown something like this in Inferno?