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Capsuleer invasion

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Leah Solo
Lag No Use
#1 - 2012-07-29 20:09:33 UTC
So I just watched a documentary on nat geo about aliens invading, and how Earth's population might defend from it. Turned out the ultimate weapon was some nonsense, about infiltrating enemy carriers with latex balloons and destroying them from the inside on a suicide mission. Roll


So my question is, what if capsuleers invaded Earth? What if Amarr, Minmatar, Caldari and Gallente combined forces to take over?

What could we do to stop them? Could we stop them? Balloons? Pirate

Fire away.
Adam Junior
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-07-29 20:12:56 UTC
Leah Solo wrote:
So I just watched a documentary on nat geo about aliens invading, and how Earth's population might defend from it. Turned out the ultimate weapon was some nonsense, about infiltrating enemy carriers with latex balloons and destroying them from the inside on a suicide mission. Roll


So my question is, what if capsuleers invaded Earth? What if Amarr, Minmatar, Caldari and Gallente combined forces to take over?

What could we do to stop them? Could we stop them? Balloons? Pirate

Fire away.


Earth could be exterminated by orbital bombardment in minutes.
leviticus ander
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-07-29 20:14:21 UTC
current day earth would be screwed. planetary bombardment.
Charles Baker
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-07-29 20:14:42 UTC
Unplug the server...
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#5 - 2012-07-29 20:15:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Roll Sizzle Beef
Leah Solo wrote:

What could we do to stop them?


Nothing. Unless we managed to pay them off in something we could produce that they need as killing us off in order to replace us with their own labor would be far more time intensive and a bother than having us cooperative and working for them.
If this was about colonization due to prime environment and not simply raw resources, They would likely just engineer a plague to wipe us out leaving cities intact without ever firing a shot.
Cpt Gobla
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-07-29 20:20:21 UTC
Outrange them.

EVE weapons can only target up to 249km if I'm not mistaken, even without that their maximum range is probably up to 400km or so.

Our own cruise missiles have a range of over a 1000km. Not sure how much damage those would do against capsuleer vessels though.

I mean how much force is one point of EvE damage anyway?
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#7 - 2012-07-29 20:21:20 UTC
They wouldn't bother actually invading, they'd just stick giant pins everywhere

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#8 - 2012-07-29 20:23:40 UTC
Give them territory and tell them to fight out who gets what.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

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Cpt Gobla
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-07-29 20:24:21 UTC
leviticus ander wrote:
current day earth would be screwed. planetary bombardment.


Would be a suicide attack though.

I don't think EvE ships are capable of planetary flights since most of them lack wings and are crazy heavy.

They usually have a range of 200km or so. That's in low earth orbit meaning all the ships would slowly start to descend and crash.

They might be able to lay waste to a lot of cities, but eventually they'd crash and burn themselves.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#10 - 2012-07-29 20:26:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Roll Sizzle Beef
Cpt Gobla wrote:
leviticus ander wrote:
current day earth would be screwed. planetary bombardment.


Would be a suicide attack though.

I don't think EvE ships are capable of planetary flights since most of them lack wings and are crazy heavy.

They usually have a range of 200km or so. That's in low earth orbit meaning all the ships would slowly start to descend and crash.

They might be able to lay waste to a lot of cities, but eventually they'd crash and burn themselves.


You haven't seen a single dust trailer have you. Or read Chronicles. Xenocracy

“That sound you’re hearing,” Omvistus replied, “is your planet’s bombardment siren. You’ve probably never had to pay much attention to it in the past, seeing as your world is safely under the jurisdiction of CONCORD, but that is no longer the case.” As he spoke, the back window of the conference room took on a noticeably red tint, saturating the room in crimson light. “What you’re seeing now is the targeting laser used to aim my battleship’s six 425 millimeter railgun turrets. At this altitude, the gravity of your planet will augment the standard launch velocity of each solid projectile to speeds well beyond operational specifications, enough to obliterate anything within half a kilometer of the impact site.” Omvistus’s image grew larger on the screen before he continued.

“Anything between that location and two kilometers from ground zero will suffer a worse fate, as the antimatter suspended in each shell escapes its containment field and expands in a random dispersion pattern, colliding with the ambient normal matter on the ground – buildings, trees, children, everything. Whatever these particles touch will experience matter disassociation on an atomic level as, piece by piece, they are reduced to unidentifiable residual particles.
With a single thought, I can reduce your entire city to a smoldering crater; the boiling wind rushing in to replace the void left behind will be laced with dust particles that were once the bodies of everyone you know and love. Do you understand?”
Cpt Gobla
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-07-29 20:31:54 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Cpt Gobla wrote:
leviticus ander wrote:
current day earth would be screwed. planetary bombardment.


Would be a suicide attack though.

I don't think EvE ships are capable of planetary flights since most of them lack wings and are crazy heavy.

They usually have a range of 200km or so. That's in low earth orbit meaning all the ships would slowly start to descend and crash.

They might be able to lay waste to a lot of cities, but eventually they'd crash and burn themselves.


You haven't seen a single dust trailer have you.


I have, I just know that the actual weapons capsuleers currently have available would not be able to do that. It's far outside their range.

We might get access to planetary bombardment in the future, but that technology is currently not yet present in the EvE universe.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#12 - 2012-07-29 20:37:59 UTC
Cpt Gobla wrote:

I have, I just know that the actual weapons capsuleers currently have available would not be able to do that. It's far outside their range.
We might get access to planetary bombardment in the future, but that technology is currently not yet present in the EvE universe.


You're taking the game mechanics too literally.
Cpt Gobla
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-07-29 20:38:56 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Cpt Gobla wrote:

I have, I just know that the actual weapons capsuleers currently have available would not be able to do that. It's far outside their range.
We might get access to planetary bombardment in the future, but that technology is currently not yet present in the EvE universe.


You're taking the game mechanics too literally.


What else should we base our numbers on?
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#14 - 2012-07-29 20:46:13 UTC
Cpt Gobla wrote:

What else should we base our numbers on?


They have galaxy crossing tech.
They populate thousands of worlds.
Their ships work outside normal physics.
Its within reason to believe the real world equivalent of their weaponry is beyond anything we could adequately counter.
Cpt Gobla
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-07-29 20:56:55 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Cpt Gobla wrote:

What else should we base our numbers on?


They have galaxy crossing tech.
They populate thousands of worlds.
Their ships work outside normal physics.
Its within reason to believe the real world equivalent of their weaponry is beyond anything we could adequately counter.


Definitely true, but there was also a long, long dark age after which all that technology was rediscovered.

Looking at all the numbers that feature in EvE, especially the extremely short ranges combat occurs at (they could've easily multiplied all distances and speeds by a factor of 10 or more without changing gameplay in any way or form), I've always been under the impression that much of the technology was reverse-engineered from left-overs of the time the EvE-gate was still active rather than truly being understood by all the races.

This seems to match with the discovery of T3 cruisers which feature advanced technology and have all been created from salvaged materials and can not be made without any salvaged materials.

This would put the EvE universe in a rather unique spot of having access to incredibly advanced technology in some fields but, lacking the true understanding of that technology, very limited tech in other fields.

I could easily be wrong though, but it just seems a bit odd that the devs choose to make things shoot 10km when they actually meant 100km.
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-07-29 20:59:13 UTC
Cpt Gobla wrote:
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Cpt Gobla wrote:

What else should we base our numbers on?


They have galaxy crossing tech.
They populate thousands of worlds.
Their ships work outside normal physics.
Its within reason to believe the real world equivalent of their weaponry is beyond anything we could adequately counter.


Definitely true, but there was also a long, long dark age after which all that technology was rediscovered.

Looking at all the numbers that feature in EvE, especially the extremely short ranges combat occurs at (they could've easily multiplied all distances and speeds by a factor of 10 or more without changing gameplay in any way or form), I've always been under the impression that much of the technology was reverse-engineered from left-overs of the time the EvE-gate was still active rather than truly being understood by all the races.

This seems to match with the discovery of T3 cruisers which feature advanced technology and have all been created from salvaged materials and can not be made without any salvaged materials.

This would put the EvE universe in a rather unique spot of having access to incredibly advanced technology in some fields but, lacking the true understanding of that technology, very limited tech in other fields.

I could easily be wrong though, but it just seems a bit odd that the devs choose to make things shoot 10km when they actually meant 100km.


Yeah we'll just upload a virus into their mothershipRoll
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#17 - 2012-07-29 21:04:11 UTC
IMHO, biological weapons is the best we could come up right now. Modify some nasty virus to be lethal to the aliens while giving us a mild cold.

And example of this was used on the original "V" series. Some anime's had some similar ideas as well.

LOL... I just had a mental picture of Monsanto becoming a defense contractor.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Vince Arron
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-07-29 21:05:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Vince Arron
Im going to paint a picture for you, There is a Megathron in orbit with 8 425mm Rail guns capable of smashing a antimatter warhead at near the speed of light causing far more damage then modern nuclear warheads into 8 citys at once evey 10 seconds.

The planet would be wiped out by just one battleship we have no technology (unless you want to go into black projects and all that jazz) that could shoot even one ship down.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#19 - 2012-07-29 21:18:56 UTC
Cpt Gobla wrote:
but it just seems a bit odd that the devs choose to make things shoot 10km when they actually meant 100km.

Not really. Gameplay reasons and all.

RL space combat would be very, very, very, VERY boring. You would never see your enemy. You would never see the enemy's weapons or vice versa. And that doesn't make for good trailer footage.

As for the speeds of ships... if everything was using normal physics and speed you would have issues balancing all the ship classes. Every ship would pretty much operate at the same speed... smaller ships would just be able to accelerate and maneuver better... in fact, I would go so far as to say that larger ships would move faster than the smaller ones given that they have access to larger and better engines than smaller ships.

And if you choose not to alter EVE's physics to RL laws but still increase speed, you create an entire set of other issues. Speed boosts given by MWDs and ABs are percentage based and are affected by mass and the base speed of the ship they are fitted on. You can see where I'm going with this, right?
Basically "fast" ships would go stupid fast and "slow" ships wouldn't go fast at all. It'd be a brand new "nano-age."


So yeah... don't take EVE's mechanics too seriously. They are what they are for a reason. If you want to know the "real" capabilities of capsuleer ships then read the lore and chronicles.

How did you Veterans start?
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#20 - 2012-07-29 21:35:33 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Cpt Gobla wrote:
but it just seems a bit odd that the devs choose to make things shoot 10km when they actually meant 100km.

Not really. Gameplay reasons and all.

RL space combat would be very, very, very, VERY boring. You would never see your enemy. You would never see the enemy's weapons or vice versa. And that doesn't make for good trailer footage.


Yup, all of this.
And T3 is still just the hull. The weapons they use are blueprinted and the ability to manufacture and maintain anti-matter devices show a profound scientific understanding of how the universe works. New Eden is far more deadly and technically advanced as well as capable of customization and invention within chronicle and lore than we could ever actually experience though provided game code.
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