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Raku Otsada
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2012-07-29 10:20:01 UTC
Hi All,

I've just returned to EVE after about a year and I need to start grinding some missions to fund my PVP habit.

I'm currently training Command Ships V but I've been browsing the forums and it seems that the Nighthawk has fallen out of favour. Should I rather be skilling Battleships V for a CNR? Or maybe switch to a Tengu? Although I feel that the strat crusiers are a massive waste of SP.

Advice and a few fitting suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks
Saile Litestrider
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-07-29 10:35:49 UTC
I don't think they've changed anything with the command ships. The main reason they've fallen out of favor is that T3s essentially do the same thing, but with significantly less training time (and more cost, and more risk). If the training time isn't a factor, go for it!
Raku Otsada
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-07-29 11:05:09 UTC
Saile Litestrider wrote:
I don't think they've changed anything with the command ships. The main reason they've fallen out of favor is that T3s essentially do the same thing, but with significantly less training time (and more cost, and more risk). If the training time isn't a factor, go for it!


I dont understand how strat cruisers have less training time? They have all the subsystems and the core space ship command skill to train...
Saile Litestrider
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-07-29 11:19:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Saile Litestrider
Raku Otsada wrote:
I dont understand how strat cruisers have less training time? They have all the subsystems and the core space ship command skill to train...

It's a consideration of skills directly dedicated to that ship. The core skills should be on everyone's training plan if not trained already, apart from those you have Cruiser V, and the five subsystems, each of which is an extremely quick skill. Command ships on the other hand require Cruiser V, Battlecruiser V, Leadership V, Warfare link IV, and HACs IV. While all of the skills have other uses, they aren't nearly as universally applicable as electronics, engineering, shield operation, or any other core Vs you need for strat cruisers. Plus the Heavy Assault Ships skill already requires Engineering and Mechanic V.

Even not making exceptions, just to sit in the ships from a base character, the Nighthawk takes 120 days, while the Tengu takes a mere 61. The Tengu pilot will also have far less to train to competently fly his ship than the Nighthawk pilot, thanks to already having several core Vs.

Edit: Most people consider the subsystems being to V a requirement before even setting foot in a strategic cruiser, which bumps the total training time up to 91 days, 66 if you're willing to deal with just IVs and just not mention it too often.
Raku Otsada
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2012-07-29 13:25:29 UTC
Ok, so I'm 20 days away from Command Ships V. Which will be the only skill I need/want to fly a Nighthawk. My question then is should I (or do I need to) train to fly a Tengu? How much of a difference will it make to mission completion speed. The other thing we haven't discussed is that I'm also about 20 days away from Caldari Battleships V. I already have good skills in Cruise Missiles, etc. So I'm wanting advice on which of those 3 would be the best option (in this specific situation) for mission running.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-07-30 01:07:22 UTC
nighthawk vs tengu boils down to 2 things:
- do you like drones?
- are you ok with flying a >1bil ship?

the CNR is an OK mission boat, wepecially when you do not want to shoot kinetic but tbh i would prefer a tengu any day.

I should buy an Ishtar.
MarvinOne
Zilog Enterprises
#7 - 2012-07-31 13:24:54 UTC
I have flown the Nighthawk, CNR and tengu in L4's and the Nigthhawk does not cut the cake compared the the other 2. I really like the CNR but i will also pick the tengu any day.
Raku Otsada
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2012-07-31 17:36:48 UTC
Great, so Tengu it is.

Could you recommend a fitting?
Akali Kuvakei
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-07-31 18:37:37 UTC
[Tengu, Not pimpin]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
ECCM - Gravimetric II
Dread Guristas Kinetic Deflection Field
Large Shield Extender II
Pithi C-Type Small Shield Booster

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening

[Tengu, Big Pimpin]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
ECCM - Gravimetric II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Corelum B-Type 10MN Afterburner
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening

I like the LSE fit because I prefer a little extra buffer. There are other fits that doesn't use it and they also seem to work fine.