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Admiral Dubar
Brothers of Tyr
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2012-07-29 04:16:54 UTC
Thinking there is no mid rasnge bomber in game. why not turn the destroyers into that very thing or a class of it, raise ship haul maybe to cruiser size and like a bomber with some bs class weapon aka torps. why not a dread size weapon for planet bombardment or well towers. Thinking just one launcher but far cheaper faster and mobile and to train for would be less making your fleet not realy on dreads for towers and for planet bombardment in high sec (sorry if that rambled)
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#2 - 2012-07-29 04:22:50 UTC
What, exactly, do you consider a "mid range bomber"?

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Alara IonStorm
#3 - 2012-07-29 04:25:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Stealth Bomber Models are now close to the size of Destroyers.

I think they should make T1 Torpedo Boats out of the T1 Models. Just elongate them a little bit. Say 4 Launchers 10% Dmg Bonus to Racial Dmg, 10% Range Bonus and a role fitting bonus.

It would actually be a more real representation of the RL role of Destroyers which were Torpedo Boats primarily. Back then there were no planes to drop bombs so if your guns could not penetrate a ships armor your ship was useless. The Torpedo could carry a charge big enough to penetrate a Capital Ship like Cruisers and Battlecruisers.
Admiral Dubar
Brothers of Tyr
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2012-07-29 05:41:13 UTC
by mid range bomber im not meaning anything just seems like the next basic military devlopment based on needson earth mid range bomber.... but in eve the frig bomber cran cross all of eve so yea.... range comment ment nothing
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-07-29 09:17:29 UTC
You want to do bombing runs on planets .... ?

Id like a vorlon planetkiller in that case.
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#6 - 2012-07-29 09:33:55 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
It would actually be a more real representation of the RL role of Destroyers which were Torpedo Boats primarily.


Destroyers were actually introduced as anti-submarine platforms. The name "destroyer" is short for "submarine destroyer".

But yes, in each ship class, there should be ships that are able to do significant damage to ships that are one or even two classes larger, at the cost of being fairly helpless against ships of the same size. This would make it necessary to guard a fleet against ships of all sizes (and gather intel on what the enemy is most likely to throw at you), lest your fleet of battleship gets pulverized by torpedo-firing frigates.
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-07-29 09:39:45 UTC
Exploited Engineer wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
It would actually be a more real representation of the RL role of Destroyers which were Torpedo Boats primarily.


Destroyers were actually introduced as anti-submarine platforms. The name "destroyer" is short for "submarine destroyer"


Roll

Torpedo boats, torpedo boat destroyers.

As for the OP, he wants to remove destroyers from the game.
Alara IonStorm
#8 - 2012-07-29 09:44:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Exploited Engineer wrote:

Destroyers were actually introduced as anti-submarine platforms. The name "destroyer" is short for "submarine destroyer".

Submarines were not a serious thing when Destroyers were introduced nor could they be countered by Destroyers when they did become a thing due to lack of Sonar. When ASW Warfare was developed and used in WW2 Destroyers were fitted out for the role along with every ship but dedicated ASW platforms were Corvettes, Escorts and Frigates.

Destroyer comes from the name Torpedo Boat Destroyer. Their multirole ASW and AA roles came much later on.
Heun zero
MAYHEM BOYZ
#9 - 2012-07-29 09:57:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Heun zero
Admiral Dubar wrote:
by mid range bomber im not meaning anything just seems like the next basic military devlopment based on needson earth mid range bomber.... but in eve the frig bomber cran cross all of eve so yea.... range comment ment nothing



So basically you want to introduce a ship that 'does not mean anything' ??

mid range bomber seems like an idea that has some merit, but it would have to be a bit more clearly defined so it means something

edit: actually quoted the wrong person ;)
Alara IonStorm
#10 - 2012-07-29 09:59:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Edit: That's a new one. Big smile
Saile Litestrider
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-07-29 10:27:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Saile Litestrider
In case you missed the dev blog, they're introducing four new destroyers this winter, when they release the new mining frigate and revamp all the existing barges, frigates and destroyers. Existing destroyers will be comparable to the thrasher, and Amarr and Gallente will receive drone-based destroyers, while Caldari and Minmatar will receive missile-based destroyers.

I bring this up because a destroyer with rockets or HAMs will be comparable to a destroyer with torpedoes, just far, far more able to apply its damage to cruisers and frigates.