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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#1801 - 2012-07-29 06:08:53 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:


No, its more about adding balance to a ship so easily ganked that people make recycleable gank alts with low skill points to gank with and throw away when sec gets too low. Those are the people creating problems, not the miners.


Oh, look, someone who still believes this half-baked horseshit:

CCP has said on numerous occasions that recycling blinky-blinky alts to avoid the penalties for being so is an exploit. Exploiting gets one permanently banned.

And no, ganky/Arty urp-splody types aren't the cause of the "problem."

Sui-ganking is not a problem, unless you allow it to be one. The ways to make it not be one are well-known and numerous, and require minimal effort. (Having two brain-cells to rub together is also an assetRoll)

The only "problem" here is whinging little over-entitled cry-kiddies who choose to be victims and--quelle surprise!--actually suffering appropriate penalties for same instead of getting a special little snowflake-cookie like they would in those crap childrens' MMOs.

The real problem here is that CCP is apparently caving in to them after 10 years of sticking to their vision, even though EVE has only grown during that time, and succeeded just fine, except for the ::18 months::/Incarna debacle.


Now this is a person who sounds upset. Breath in, Breath out, Breath in, Breath out. Now, isn't that better.


Everything I say is the truth, and you bloody well know it.

It's "breathe," by the way.

Next!

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#1802 - 2012-07-29 06:10:56 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:


No, its more about adding balance to a ship so easily ganked that people make recycleable gank alts with low skill points to gank with and throw away when sec gets too low. Those are the people creating problems, not the miners.


Oh, look, someone who still believes this half-baked horseshit:

CCP has said on numerous occasions that recycling blinky-blinky alts to avoid the penalties for being so is an exploit. Exploiting gets one permanently banned.

And no, ganky/Arty urp-splody types aren't the cause of the "problem."

Sui-ganking is not a problem, unless you allow it to be one. The ways to make it not be one are well-known and numerous, and require minimal effort. (Having two brain-cells to rub together is also an assetRoll)

The only "problem" here is whinging little over-entitled cry-kiddies who choose to be victims and--quelle surprise!--actually suffering appropriate penalties for same instead of getting a special little snowflake-cookie like they would in those crap childrens' MMOs.

The real problem here is that CCP is apparently caving in to them after 10 years of sticking to their vision, even though EVE has only grown during that time, and succeeded just fine, except for the ::18 months::/Incarna debacle.


Now this is a person who sounds upset. Breath in, Breath out, Breath in, Breath out. Now, isn't that better.


Everything I say is the truth, and you bloody well know it.

It's "breathe," by the way.

Next!


It may be considered an exploit but it is used alot nonetheless. Ah breathe, thanks, english is not my first language so I do make mistakes and take no offense to be corrected.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1803 - 2012-07-29 06:12:04 UTC
If you suspect someone of doing it, petition them. Otherwise, bitching about it here accomplishes nothing.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#1804 - 2012-07-29 06:15:42 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
If you suspect someone of doing it, petition them. Otherwise, bitching about it here accomplishes nothing.


I am not 'bitching', I don't even mine. I support the buff of mining barges though since ganking is getting out of control. The sad thing is that people don't see that they are being manipulated by the alliance who controls the minerals required to make the barges. The buff to the tanks will help make that monopoly not as profitable as it currently is.
Pipa Porto
#1805 - 2012-07-29 06:19:57 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Delen Ormand wrote:
Red Teufel wrote:
90 page thread....over mining ships that i'll still gank anyways.


..and that Richard Goon Guy said it's not about profit, so the fact that it'll now be more expensive to gank miners seems a bit of a non-issue. Which begs the question, wtf were the last 90-odd pages about??

It's about CCP catering to a group whose sole concern was to feel safer in a game where you should never have such a luxury, and how these changes dumb down the game for this group.


No, its more about adding balance to a ship so easily ganked that people make recycleable gank alts with low skill points to gank with and throw away when sec gets too low. Those are the people creating problems, not the miners.


If you have evidence that people are recycling alts, you should report them, as that is a EULA violation.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#1806 - 2012-07-29 06:33:14 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
If you suspect someone of doing it, petition them. Otherwise, bitching about it here accomplishes nothing.


I am not 'bitching', I don't even mine. I support the buff of mining barges though since ganking is getting out of control. The sad thing is that people don't see that they are being manipulated by the alliance who controls the minerals required to make the barges. The buff to the tanks will help make that monopoly not as profitable as it currently is.


So you are saying that I am a tool being manipulated by Goons because I gank miners?

What if I just like punishing bad players? What if I like ruining someone's evening?
Some of us have been suicide ganking LONG before Goons controlled key resources.

And if Goons get richer because of my efforts, hey WIN-WIN.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1807 - 2012-07-29 06:35:21 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

It's about CCP catering to a group whose sole concern was to feel safer in a game where you should never have such a luxury, and how these changes dumb down the game for this group.


Well, CCP also catered too much to removing *tangible* consequences to whatever you do.

What kind of consequence is there for being a -10 sec disposable alt parked in a safe spot, ready to take a catalyst out of an Orca?
What kind of consequence is there for spam-podding whoever down to -10 when all you have to do is to walk away or - in the worst case - lose zero ISK and zero implants and respawn in the station?

What kind of SP consequence or burden involves training the 1 hit wonder throwaway ships?

What kind of retaliation can be done to a throwaway alt in NPC corp and whose clone cost is zero?

Do you really believe that suiciding a 2M worth of throwaway ship is "The Harsh Game Of Consequences"?

The consequences are so totally biased towards disposable alts it's unreal.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1808 - 2012-07-29 06:38:47 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
If you suspect someone of doing it, petition them. Otherwise, bitching about it here accomplishes nothing.


Yeah they clearly reroll their NPC alt with a similar name, same corp and announce it loud in local: "HEY GUYS I AM RECYCLING ALTS!"

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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#1809 - 2012-07-29 06:48:42 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

It's about CCP catering to a group whose sole concern was to feel safer in a game where you should never have such a luxury, and how these changes dumb down the game for this group.


Well, CCP also catered too much to removing *tangible* consequences to whatever you do.

What kind of consequence is there for being a -10 sec disposable alt parked in a safe spot, ready to take a catalyst out of an Orca?
What kind of consequence is there for spam-podding whoever down to -10 when all you have to do is to walk away or - in the worst case - lose zero ISK and zero implants and respawn in the station?

What kind of SP consequence or burden involves training the 1 hit wonder throwaway ships?

What kind of retaliation can be done to a throwaway alt in NPC corp and whose clone cost is zero?

Do you really believe that suiciding a 2M worth of throwaway ship is "The Harsh Game Of Consequences"?

The consequences are so totally biased towards disposable alts it's unreal.


I don't get you.
Why do you call them 'disposable alts'?
We don't throw them away. Not only is in an exploit, but its a waste of perfectly good SP.
Whats the point of training the same basic skill set over and over just to regain 4-5 measly sec status points. It just doesn't make sense - you get far better returns just going all the way to -10 and keep skilling, train new weapon systems and get those weapons spec skills to V.
Hell, my suicide ganker char has like 35M SP and 22M of them are in Gunnery alone.

Its like you are trying to smear gankers as exploiters, when the 'benefits' of the exploit doesn't even make sense. You can do anything you need to do as an outlaw, anyway.
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1810 - 2012-07-29 06:52:18 UTC
It will be very entertaining when these changes actually turn out to increase ganking.

By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it!
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1811 - 2012-07-29 07:01:48 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
If you suspect someone of doing it, petition them. Otherwise, bitching about it here accomplishes nothing.


Yeah they clearly reroll their NPC alt with a similar name, same corp and announce it loud in local: "HEY GUYS I AM RECYCLING ALTS!"

So basically what you're saying is you have no proof of anything and are simply talking out of your ass.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
nate555
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1812 - 2012-07-29 07:40:43 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Danks wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
We are still raging about the mining ship changes right?

I'm not sure anymore.


I was hoping for three-figure page count, but yeah.

It would seem that this thread has run its course.

In before lock, HA-HA!!


So who won?

Everyone in this thread, because...

The people who aren't aware of the patch notes/dev blogs will rage-post on the 8th about how the patch introduced a bug that reduced their Mack's ice mining bonus from 100% to 1%.

The shiptoasting will be epic that day.



Oh you bet. Already had a guy whining about it yesterday.
Dave Stark
#1813 - 2012-07-29 07:41:59 UTC
nate555 wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Danks wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
We are still raging about the mining ship changes right?

I'm not sure anymore.


I was hoping for three-figure page count, but yeah.

It would seem that this thread has run its course.

In before lock, HA-HA!!


So who won?

Everyone in this thread, because...

The people who aren't aware of the patch notes/dev blogs will rage-post on the 8th about how the patch introduced a bug that reduced their Mack's ice mining bonus from 100% to 1%.

The shiptoasting will be epic that day.



Oh you bet. Already had a guy whining about it yesterday.


ergh yeah, he was calling it a bug even after repeatedly being told to read the ship's description.
nate555
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1814 - 2012-07-29 07:49:01 UTC


It would seem that this thread has run its course.

In before lock, HA-HA!!
[/quote]

So who won?[/quote]
Everyone in this thread, because...

The people who aren't aware of the patch notes/dev blogs will rage-post on the 8th about how the patch introduced a bug that reduced their Mack's ice mining bonus from 100% to 1%.

The shiptoasting will be epic that day.


[/quote]
Oh you bet. Already had a guy whining about it yesterday.[/quote]

ergh yeah, he was calling it a bug even after repeatedly being told to read the ship's description.[/quote]
The guy i know was crying he wasn't going to make 500 million in 4 hours like he use to. 500 million million is a lie. I highly dought he was making that much
Alexzandvar Douglass
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#1815 - 2012-07-29 07:50:41 UTC
T2 Barges with the update are supposed to reflect the added cost in "Upgrading" from a regular mining barge with added tank and yield. Not to mention every single suicide gank iv seen in my EVE career has been simply about a small quick buck or just getting good kill mails.

Not to mention what about the Ice miners in 0.0? A Mackinaw right now can't tank the rats in almost any Ice belt, while a hulk preforms excellent in a regular belt.

CCP Please, listen the Miners on this one and not the people who get the jollies off on taking advantage of the Mackinaws Poor tank.
Dave Stark
#1816 - 2012-07-29 07:53:39 UTC
nate555 wrote:
Quote:
Quote:


It would seem that this thread has run its course.

In before lock, HA-HA!!


So who won?

Everyone in this thread, because...

The people who aren't aware of the patch notes/dev blogs will rage-post on the 8th about how the patch introduced a bug that reduced their Mack's ice mining bonus from 100% to 1%.

The shiptoasting will be epic that day.

Quote:

Quote:

Oh you bet. Already had a guy whining about it yesterday.


ergh yeah, he was calling it a bug even after repeatedly being told to read the ship's description.

The guy i know was crying he wasn't going to make 500 million in 4 hours like he use to. 500 million million is a lie. I highly dought he was making that much

he just wouldn't accept that the new hulk will mine almost exactly as much as the current mack. then again there have been a lot of people crying about exhumer changes who simply haven't or can't do the math. it's all rather amusing.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1817 - 2012-07-29 08:51:12 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
I don't get you.
Why do you call them 'disposable alts'?
We don't throw them away. Not only is in an exploit, but its a waste of perfectly good SP.
Whats the point of training the same basic skill set over and over just to regain 4-5 measly sec status points. It just doesn't make sense - you get far better returns just going all the way to -10 and keep skilling, train new weapon systems and get those weapons spec skills to V.
Hell, my suicide ganker char has like 35M SP and 22M of them are in Gunnery alone.

Its like you are trying to smear gankers as exploiters, when the 'benefits' of the exploit doesn't even make sense. You can do anything you need to do as an outlaw, anyway.


Of course, you get the double choice of:

- making disposable alts. Let's be real, nobody with 2 braincells ever got banned over that, it's impossible to prove he's recycling alts and they don't biomass every 4 hours either for CCP detection routines to catch them. Only specific RMT / spam alts that gets quickly recycled may trigger it.

- not even bothering with disposable alts, since the drawback of being -10 and live parked close to an Orca is Z E R O.
I don't even see the point of lowering sec status, it's as pointless as putting a bounty.
The only times in my life I went to less than -8 sec was when I *defended* low sec POSes, imagine how stupid was that sec status loss.

I am not calling you exploiters but just calling the lolpenalty mechanics stupidly outdated and pointless and completely stacked.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1818 - 2012-07-29 08:54:04 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
If you suspect someone of doing it, petition them. Otherwise, bitching about it here accomplishes nothing.


Yeah they clearly reroll their NPC alt with a similar name, same corp and announce it loud in local: "HEY GUYS I AM RECYCLING ALTS!"

So basically what you're saying is you have no proof of anything and are simply talking out of your ass.


With you as a master, it comes out easy.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#1819 - 2012-07-29 09:46:15 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
It may be considered an exploit but it is used alot nonetheless.
Do you have any proof of this? Or are you just beating your gums?

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Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#1820 - 2012-07-29 10:17:37 UTC
gankers who run round hs with -10 sec status and 100m bounty on their heads are fun :) mind you so's anyone running round with neg 5 sec status :)