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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1781 - 2012-07-29 03:18:56 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Who's Lucian James? I feel like I'm supposed to know...


according to tarryn nightstorm he is one of our best friends ever, right up there with TJ and riverini even!

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
LIssa Ho
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1782 - 2012-07-29 04:01:55 UTC
The new mining stuff sucks. So much so, that I'm going to start flying my miner alt just so I can gank him myself! Stupid miner!

I'm going to gank myself. You should try it too! Gank yourself. It's fun!
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1783 - 2012-07-29 04:24:28 UTC
Ludi Burek wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

MMOs reflect the real world in many wicked ways. One of them is the kind of player playing it....




I must apologise for my words earlier. I blame my speed reading of this threadnought. This was a top notch post.



Apologies accepted Smile

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#1784 - 2012-07-29 04:32:40 UTC
Komen wrote:
I started reading this thread, and I got that it SEEMS to be that ganking miners won't be profitable because it'll take too many gankers to accomplish now.

Which leaves gankers a couple options: Gank for fun, and screw the profit, or move on to other pastures in search of profitable PvP. I wish you all the best with whichever path you choose. And remember, in Eve, you must adapt or die. Unless you're a miner, I guess.



Hm, almost good point. But what about the destroyer and T3 BC expansion? Hm, lets see. Well it looks like gankers got a buff (As in couldn't adapt, and sadly wouldn't die) so CCP gave them cake and let them eat it. Lets see again. Now miners get a pretty much the same or equivalent expansion, it its only miners that can't adapt or die or whine too much, or were given cake and now can eat it.

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Mukuro Gravedigger
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1785 - 2012-07-29 04:45:32 UTC
As an old school miner that used to mine with a pretty paper thin ship, once events like Hulkaggeddon were to be a daily affair, I went about to learn skills to help defend myself. Now CCP is making these changes to help those that are unwilling to help themselves - story of my life.

Perhaps CCP could heavily boost industrial ships too, since they are currently paper thin. Granted my skills will help defend it from some attacks, but alas, someone somewhere will still fly them defensive module free.

Of course, some "hard core" pvpers will rage up a storm about missing out on easy kills once that change occurs.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1786 - 2012-07-29 05:22:02 UTC
Mukuro Gravedigger wrote:
As an old school miner that used to mine with a pretty paper thin ship, once events like Hulkaggeddon were to be a daily affair, I went about to learn skills to help defend myself. Now CCP is making these changes to help those that are unwilling to help themselves - story of my life.


Think again about yourself: you think ahead of the crowd, you are able to gain a competitive advantage.

You should look at yourself with a more good-tempered eye and enjoy the fact you are able to be better than average. P

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1787 - 2012-07-29 05:28:38 UTC
LIssa Ho wrote:
The new mining stuff sucks. So much so, that I'm going to start flying my miner alt just so I can gank him myself! Stupid miner!

I'm going to gank myself. You should try it too! Gank yourself. It's fun!

I tried sticking a model of the Itty V up my bunghole. It was more fun, but it bled so much I had to stop.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1788 - 2012-07-29 05:30:14 UTC
Red Teufel wrote:
90 page thread....over mining ships that i'll still gank anyways.


..and that Richard Goon Guy said it's not about profit, so the fact that it'll now be more expensive to gank miners seems a bit of a non-issue. Which begs the question, wtf were the last 90-odd pages about??
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1789 - 2012-07-29 05:34:10 UTC
Mukuro Gravedigger wrote:
As an old school miner that used to mine with a pretty paper thin ship, once events like Hulkaggeddon were to be a daily affair, I went about to learn skills to help defend myself. Now CCP is making these changes to help those that are unwilling to help themselves - story of my life.

Those that were unwilling to tank before will still die thinking the newly buffed (if it remains that way after revisions) natural HP of the ship should keep them safe. And your adaptations will still make you a less desirable target, only then even more so than now.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1790 - 2012-07-29 05:40:37 UTC
Delen Ormand wrote:
Red Teufel wrote:
90 page thread....over mining ships that i'll still gank anyways.


..and that Richard Goon Guy said it's not about profit, so the fact that it'll now be more expensive to gank miners seems a bit of a non-issue. Which begs the question, wtf were the last 90-odd pages about??

It's about CCP catering to a group whose sole concern was to feel safer in a game where you should never have such a luxury, and how these changes dumb down the game for this group.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#1791 - 2012-07-29 05:43:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Who's Lucian James? I feel like I'm supposed to know...


He FC'ed a number of Alli-Ops I was on.

With him, even structure-bashing became almost tolerable.

I misremember now the exact times, but he wasn't out there too long (can you blame him?).

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#1792 - 2012-07-29 05:44:06 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Delen Ormand wrote:
Red Teufel wrote:
90 page thread....over mining ships that i'll still gank anyways.


..and that Richard Goon Guy said it's not about profit, so the fact that it'll now be more expensive to gank miners seems a bit of a non-issue. Which begs the question, wtf were the last 90-odd pages about??

It's about CCP catering to a group whose sole concern was to feel safer in a game where you should never have such a luxury, and how these changes dumb down the game for this group.


No, its more about adding balance to a ship so easily ganked that people make recycleable gank alts with low skill points to gank with and throw away when sec gets too low. Those are the people creating problems, not the miners.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1793 - 2012-07-29 05:46:52 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Delen Ormand wrote:
Red Teufel wrote:
90 page thread....over mining ships that i'll still gank anyways.


..and that Richard Goon Guy said it's not about profit, so the fact that it'll now be more expensive to gank miners seems a bit of a non-issue. Which begs the question, wtf were the last 90-odd pages about??

It's about CCP catering to a group whose sole concern was to feel safer in a game where you should never have such a luxury, and how these changes dumb down the game for this group.


No, its more about adding balance to a ship so easily ganked that people make recycleable gank alts with low skill points to gank with and throw away when sec gets too low. Those are the people creating problems, not the miners.


No, the people making problems are anyone that likes the Kardashians

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1794 - 2012-07-29 05:50:24 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Delen Ormand wrote:
Red Teufel wrote:
90 page thread....over mining ships that i'll still gank anyways.


..and that Richard Goon Guy said it's not about profit, so the fact that it'll now be more expensive to gank miners seems a bit of a non-issue. Which begs the question, wtf were the last 90-odd pages about??

It's about CCP catering to a group whose sole concern was to feel safer in a game where you should never have such a luxury, and how these changes dumb down the game for this group.


No, its more about adding unnecessary HP to a ship so easily tanked to discourage ganking that people who never bother to do so never learn from their mistakes and become repeat targets. Those are the people creating problems, not the gankers.

FTFY

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#1795 - 2012-07-29 05:50:43 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Delen Ormand wrote:
Red Teufel wrote:
90 page thread....over mining ships that i'll still gank anyways.


..and that Richard Goon Guy said it's not about profit, so the fact that it'll now be more expensive to gank miners seems a bit of a non-issue. Which begs the question, wtf were the last 90-odd pages about??

It's about CCP catering to a group whose sole concern was to feel safer in a game where you should never have such a luxury, and how these changes dumb down the game for this group.


No, its more about adding balance to a ship so easily ganked that people make recycleable gank alts with low skill points to gank with and throw away when sec gets too low. Those are the people creating problems, not the miners.


No, the people making problems are anyone that likes the Kardashians


Ohh, I must live under a rock or something, I don't know who they are Shocked I just googled the name though and I agree, anyone who likes them must be ganked!
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#1796 - 2012-07-29 05:52:22 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Delen Ormand wrote:
Red Teufel wrote:
90 page thread....over mining ships that i'll still gank anyways.


..and that Richard Goon Guy said it's not about profit, so the fact that it'll now be more expensive to gank miners seems a bit of a non-issue. Which begs the question, wtf were the last 90-odd pages about??

It's about CCP catering to a group whose sole concern was to feel safer in a game where you should never have such a luxury, and how these changes dumb down the game for this group.


No, its more about adding unnecessary HP to a ship so easily tanked to discourage ganking that people who never bother to do so never learn from their mistakes and become repeat targets. Those are the people creating problems, not the gankers.

FTFY


People who change other peoples quotes are pretty much bottom feeders.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1797 - 2012-07-29 05:53:56 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:


People who change other peoples quotes are pretty much bottom feeders.

You sound upset.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#1798 - 2012-07-29 05:59:00 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:


People who change other peoples quotes are pretty much bottom feeders.

You sound upset.


Not at all, its a lovely morning, drinking coffee and listening to Mendelssohn and the kids are still sleeping, not much could upset me.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#1799 - 2012-07-29 06:00:28 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:


No, its more about adding balance to a ship so easily ganked that people make recycleable gank alts with low skill points to gank with and throw away when sec gets too low. Those are the people creating problems, not the miners.


Oh, look, someone who still believes this half-baked horseshit:

CCP has said on numerous occasions that recycling blinky-blinky alts to avoid the penalties for being so is an exploit. Exploiting gets one permanently banned.

And no, ganky/Arty urp-splody types aren't the cause of the "problem."

Sui-ganking is not a problem, unless you allow it to be one. The ways to make it not be one are well-known and numerous, and require minimal effort. (Having two brain-cells to rub together is also an assetRoll)

The only "problem" here is whinging little over-entitled cry-kiddies who choose to be victims and--quelle surprise!--actually suffering appropriate penalties for same instead of getting a special little snowflake-cookie like they would in those crap childrens' MMOs.

The real problem here is that CCP is apparently caving in to them after 10 years of sticking to their vision, even though EVE has only grown during that time, and succeeded just fine, except for the ::18 months::/Incarna debacle.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#1800 - 2012-07-29 06:01:49 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:


No, its more about adding balance to a ship so easily ganked that people make recycleable gank alts with low skill points to gank with and throw away when sec gets too low. Those are the people creating problems, not the miners.


Oh, look, someone who still believes this half-baked horseshit:

CCP has said on numerous occasions that recycling blinky-blinky alts to avoid the penalties for being so is an exploit. Exploiting gets one permanently banned.

And no, ganky/Arty urp-splody types aren't the cause of the "problem."

Sui-ganking is not a problem, unless you allow it to be one. The ways to make it not be one are well-known and numerous, and require minimal effort. (Having two brain-cells to rub together is also an assetRoll)

The only "problem" here is whinging little over-entitled cry-kiddies who choose to be victims and--quelle surprise!--actually suffering appropriate penalties for same instead of getting a special little snowflake-cookie like they would in those crap childrens' MMOs.

The real problem here is that CCP is apparently caving in to them after 10 years of sticking to their vision, even though EVE has only grown during that time, and succeeded just fine, except for the ::18 months::/Incarna debacle.


Now this is a person who sounds upset. Breath in, Breath out, Breath in, Breath out. Now, isn't that better.