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CCP Should Do To Everyone Else What They Did To Miners

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Dave stark
#101 - 2012-07-28 17:33:39 UTC
Xython wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

I'd tell them that a 300m fitted fleet battleship can be taken out by a well piloted T1 frigate.

Are you saying a well piloted T1 Frigate can not take out these Mining Barges in the same way a well Piloted T1 Fritage takes down these Battleships?


If they weren't defended by magical super-police ships, sure.


if you don't like the rules of empire space, don't gank in empire space. there's plenty of non empire space in the game.
Alara IonStorm
#102 - 2012-07-28 17:36:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Xython wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

I'd tell them that a 300m fitted fleet battleship can be taken out by a well piloted T1 frigate.

Are you saying a well piloted T1 Frigate can not take out these Mining Barges in the same way a well Piloted T1 Fritage takes down these Battleships?


If they weren't defended by magical super-police ships, sure.

Yes but my 300mil Mission Running Battleship is also defended by those same magical ships and people are not making a big fuss over that like they are barges right now. Maybe I shouldn't say anything the forum might explode over how much natural HP my Maelstrom has...

It has a lot...
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#103 - 2012-07-28 17:45:49 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Xython wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Xython wrote:
Gun Gal wrote:
Griefer tears are bestest tears.


CCP could announce bankruptcy tomorrow and half these forums would celebrate because it would **** off Goonswarm and the other PVPers.

Pathetic, ignorant, spiteful children.


Funny, I immediately thought of your leader when you said "pathetic, ignorant, spiteful", given his infamy in spewing hateful and ignorant vitriol against carebears.


Example, please?

Most recent (couple of months ago) that comes to mind is your leader going on a tirade accusing "carebears" of being a whiny, self-entitled, ignorant, yadda yadda bunch and how it was his calling to fix Eve from them. Can't find the article where he posted this as I don't usually make a habit of storing trash, but let me know and I'll dig it up if you really need proof. But I suspect you follow up on your leader's rhetoric pretty well and probably have a good idea on when and where this specific rant was posted Blink.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.

Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2012-07-28 17:52:24 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Xython wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Xython wrote:
Gun Gal wrote:
Griefer tears are bestest tears.


CCP could announce bankruptcy tomorrow and half these forums would celebrate because it would **** off Goonswarm and the other PVPers.

Pathetic, ignorant, spiteful children.


Funny, I immediately thought of your leader when you said "pathetic, ignorant, spiteful", given his infamy in spewing hateful and ignorant vitriol against carebears.


Example, please?

Most recent (couple of months ago) that comes to mind is your leader going on a tirade accusing "carebears" of being whiny, self-entitled, ignorant, yadda yadda and how it was his calling to fix Eve from them. Can't find the article where he posted this as I don't usually make a habit of storing trash, but let me know and I'll dig it up if you really need proof. But I suspect you follow up on your leader's rhetoric pretty well and probably have a good idea on when and where this specific rant was posted Blink.


Yes, please go dig it up, I'll wait. I'm eager to see if the actuall "The Mittani" rant is as full of "hateful and ignorant vitriol" as the cartoon "The Mittani" that you have created in your head.

And yes, most Carebears ARE whiny, self-entitled, ignorant... Oh, and they smell funny, too.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#105 - 2012-07-28 18:01:48 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Xython wrote:
Yes, please go dig it up, I'll wait. I'm eager to see if the actuall "The Mittani" rant is as full of "hateful and ignorant vitriol" as the cartoon "The Mittani" that you have created in your head.

And yes, most Carebears ARE whiny, self-entitled, ignorant... Oh, and they smell funny, too.

Then, being that you yourself spew hateful vitriol, the shoe fits and I reiterate:

YOU are the "pathetic, ignorant, spiteful child".

And lucky you I found the article Lol:

http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/79

Included are these gems:

"there is a silent, ignorant herd of players"
"The ignorance demonstrated by this class of players is not an isolated problem, but part of a growing and dangerous trend."
"It is this combination of ignorance and entitlement that threatens EVE."

Now go wallow in your own hate and misery.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.

Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2012-07-28 19:37:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Xython
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Xython wrote:
Yes, please go dig it up, I'll wait. I'm eager to see if the actuall "The Mittani" rant is as full of "hateful and ignorant vitriol" as the cartoon "The Mittani" that you have created in your head.

And yes, most Carebears ARE whiny, self-entitled, ignorant... Oh, and they smell funny, too.

Then, being that you yourself spew hateful vitriol, the shoe fits and I reiterate:

YOU are the "pathetic, ignorant, spiteful child".

And lucky you I found the article Lol:

http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/79

Included are these gems:

"there is a silent, ignorant herd of players"
"The ignorance demonstrated by this class of players is not an isolated problem, but part of a growing and dangerous trend."
"It is this combination of ignorance and entitlement that threatens EVE."

Now go wallow in your own hate and misery.


Ah, tut tut. No where did I say that I wasn't spewing hateful vitriol -- not that I was. Most carebears wouldn't know "hateful vitriol" if it slapped them in the face.

Nor did any of my words enact a feeling of ignorance. Indeed, I asked you to confirm your own stance, which is evidence of wisdom, not ignorance. After all, only a wise person knows when he doesn't know enough. Only the truly ignorant think they know the entirety of anything.

And your quoted snippets, even when taken so far out of context you might think they were in a Mitt Romney advertisement, are far from full of "hateful and ignorant vitriol." In fact, he's downright polite when speaking of the phenomenon of ignorant "carebears" who are attempting to ruin EVE.

Because you obviously felt the article was "too long; didn't read", I will sum it up for you:

Games are becoming easier. EVE is Marketed as a hard game.

A large influx of new players from easy, hand holding MMORPGs such as WOW have moved into EVE. These people feel they are entitled to safety in a non-consensual PVP game, and complain loudly on the forums when this entitlement is proven false.

These people are completely disconnected from EVE's community at large. They do not "get" EVE.

EVE is hard, and requires you not be stupid to succeed. Diablo, WOW, and SWTOR spoon feed you success even if you make very poor decisions.

The inter-game community -- that is, the marketplace of MMORPGs and MMORPG players -- are becoming more complacent. They do not want a hard game. They do not want EVE.

These players, which we derogatorily call "carebears," are demanding that EVE be destroyed and replaced with WOW or SWTOR with spaceships. Worse, CCP seems to be listening.

We, as players of EVE who actually enjoy EVE, must shatter this feeling of entitlement and safety -- we must "grief" -- in order to prevent EVE from dying a slow death.


At no point is there "hateful and ignorant vitriol." He describes a problem that EVE is facing -- ignorant, entitled players who refuse to integrate with the community -- and discusses this problem in the greater context of the stagnant, devolving MMORPG marketplace.

In short, you picked a very poor choice for an example of "angry vitriol" from the CSM Chairman. I'll give you a mulligan this time; please find a more appropriate example -- if you can.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#107 - 2012-07-28 20:21:27 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Xython wrote:
Ah, tut tut. No where did I say that I wasn't spewing hateful vitriol -- not that I was. Most carebears wouldn't know "hateful vitriol" if it slapped them in the face.


You call those you hate whiny, self-entitled, and ignorant. But if you truly understood the words you regurgitate like the parrot who's only been taught but a few cliche words in his entire existence and you had even a fraction of its intelligence you'd realize how appropriate these insults befall on yourself and the man-children that behave like you. But alas, fact is you will never be able to understand and I cannot really hold you accountable for that inability.

Which brings me to my next point. In your reality, your brain's reality, things don't need to make sense. You build a bridge claiming that Eve has to be hard and tough, yet are here in this very thread crying, moaning, and whining that your profession, suicide ganking has become too difficult. You come here yelling and screaming like a manchild spewing insults because in your brain some how sandbox = litterbox.

I'd tell you to HTFU, or GBTW, or ask if "u mad bro?", or parrot any of the 5 or 6 other cliche statements that you keep spewing to others, but fact is your brain simply cannot process the irony in that so I'd just be wasting my time :).

And it is also the reason why you are unable to process what your boss says as fallible, mindless dribble. You share that hate. You have that much in common. Vitriolic insults toward your common enemy are no longer childish, ignorant, rants, but some how proper and edumacated truths. To you, it doesn't need to make sense. You just have to believe it does.

Also, just because your leader wears a pointy wizard hat doesn't make his hateful and spiteful vitriol magically true :).

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.

Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2012-07-28 20:23:05 UTC
... So you're saying you can't find any other examples?

Guess I win this argument. Thanks for playing.
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#109 - 2012-07-28 20:29:09 UTC
Miners crying about being suicided.... check
Gankers crying about miner buffs.... check

/thread

I'm an American, English is my second language...

MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2012-07-28 20:35:26 UTC
Xython wrote:
... So you're saying you can't find any other examples?

Guess I win this argument. Thanks for playing.

Inability to process information does not equal winning an argument. But sure, go ahead and think it so if it makes you feel smart :D.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.

Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2012-07-28 20:39:18 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Xython wrote:
... So you're saying you can't find any other examples?

Guess I win this argument. Thanks for playing.

Inability to process information does not equal winning an argument. But sure, go ahead and think it so if it makes you feel smart :D.


Still waiting on those examples.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#112 - 2012-07-28 20:47:36 UTC
Dez Affinity wrote:
Are you from the alliance 'TEARS'


TEARS alliance, fail alliance.

These guys are so hillariously bad, i wouldn't even compare them to carebears ! XD
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#113 - 2012-07-28 20:53:03 UTC
I love all the miners saying HTFU, so ironic considering they repeatedly failed to do so and instead cried for CCP to coddle them until they finally caved.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#114 - 2012-07-28 21:06:38 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Countess Lamorei wrote:
Why the change.. because ccp enjoys tears more than anyone else, clearly miners tears werent enough so they went for there opposite and decided for 2012 they will harvest ganker tears, which from the forums are much more abundant and tasty than anything miners can produce.


Griefer tears are bestest tears.

And the best part of it, is that they inflicted it on themselves by finding the best most proficent way to gank miners in flagrant abuse of CCP's unreal specs for miner ships.

Now that miner ships will belong to New Eden and not Hello kitty Online, gankers cry out loud and flood the forums with tears... well then, HTFU and go fight someone your size for a change, crybabies! Lol



Why is it, that in the minds of most carebears, anyone who's ever pressed F1 against anything non-NPC is "griefing?" Not according to the EULA, they aren't.

It's a free-PvP-informed sandbox, did you not get the memo?

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#115 - 2012-07-28 21:10:46 UTC
Yes because hulks with their previous EHP if fitted right were all easily gankable.

Oh wait..... no they were not,They were all max yield for max isk a hour.
CCP is changing a bit but in reality they just want the public to know how stupid these miners are


Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#116 - 2012-07-28 21:20:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Xython wrote:
Ah, tut tut. No where did I say that I wasn't spewing hateful vitriol -- not that I was. Most carebears wouldn't know "hateful vitriol" if it slapped them in the face.


You call those you hate whiny, self-entitled, and ignorant. But if you truly understood the words you regurgitate like the parrot whose only been taught but a few cliche words in his entire existence and you had even a fraction of its intelligence you'd realize how appropriate these insults befall on yourself and the man-children that behave like you. But alas, fact is you will never be able to understand and I cannot really hold you accountable for that inability.

Which brings me to my next point. In your reality, your brain's reality, things don't need to make sense. You build a bridge claiming that Eve has to be hard and tough, yet are here in this very thread crying, moaning, and whining that your profession, suicide ganking has become too difficult. You come here yelling and screaming like a manchild spewing insults because in your brain some how sandbox = litterbox.

I'd tell you to HTFU, or GBTW, or ask if "u mad bro?", or parrot any of the 5 or 6 other cliche statements that you keep spewing to others, but fact is your brain simply cannot process the irony in that so I'd just be wasting my time :).

And it is also the reason why you are unable to process what your boss says as fallible, mindless dribble. You share that hate. You have that much in common. Vitriolic insults toward your common enemy are no longer childish, ignorant, rants, but some how proper and edumacated truths. To you, it doesn't need to make sense. You just have to believe it does.

Also, just because your leader wears a pointy wizard hat doesn't make his hateful and spiteful vitriol magically true :).


Carebear:

Shut the **** up, and get the **** out.

There: All who actually get EVE think it, and I said it. And I meant it, too.

Your kind is neither wanted nor welcome here, there are literally dozens of MMOs (funny how they all seem almost exactly the same, though, eh?) that cater to you and your fwagile widdwle feeeeeeewings that were/are hurt because you didn't get your "special little snowflake" gift here, sheerly by dint of existing (like that's a good thing? Jeezus-pleez-us!).

As much as I despise the Mittani and most goons -- he is a RL complete douchebag, his actions at FF more than proved this, and that's all I've got to say about that. Most goons, in turn, just make me wanna [/facedesk] -- he is bang-on right in this.

What the Hell, just because someone's a jerk-off, doesn't mean they can't occasionally be right vOv

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Gorinia Sanford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#117 - 2012-07-28 21:22:47 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Since, apparently, fitting a ship is too gosh darn hard CCP has insulted all miners by decreeing they are too stupid to fit their ships, so they've prefit them by modifying hulls.

Since it's obvious that EVE is headed in this direction, CCP should just redo all the ships that way!

Let's take a look at the new and improved Caldari, for example.

Raven - Max DPS
Rokh - Max cargo hold
Scorpion - Max EHP (who needs ECM bonus? that's too hard)

Bring it on CCP!


Heyyyyyy.... I think you've got something there!

*rolls eyes*
Ron Maudieu
#118 - 2012-07-28 21:27:03 UTC
So.... when are they releasing the new edition of eve???







EvE Online: Whiner Edition
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#119 - 2012-07-28 21:29:22 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
As much as I despise the Mittani and most goons -- he is a RL complete douchebag, and his actions at FF proved this, and that's all I've got to say about that. Most goons, in turn, just make me wanna [/facedesk] -- he is bang-on right in this.

What the Hell, just because someone's a jerk-off, doesn't mean they can't occasionally be right vOv


Little detail: the graves are full of people who were right.

There's something called players turnover. The vets for many reasons have to quit EvE and new players have to join in order to keep the game rolling.

Considering there's 1 "Hardened White Protestant True EvE Player" that would pass the delicate taste of the resident judges out of 1000 new players, EvE WILL end up with an increasing amount of not politically correct "easy game" players.


So what you shall do to deal with the slowly decreasing number of acceptable "True And Only Kosher EvE Players" and the quickly increasing incoming easy game *spit in face'n'shod off* new players?
Gorinia Sanford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#120 - 2012-07-28 21:29:54 UTC
Hypercake Mix wrote:
The barge changes are to make them all worth flying. Procurers are pretty bad on TQ and Retrievers were only flown until training finished for a Hulk, which many would skip the Covetor.

Kind of similar to how they're making all the frigates worth flying. Wasn't it called "Tiericide"?


Eh, I actually bought and flew a Covetor for a week or two while I trained some other skills I was interested in. Refining efficiency and some of the ore processing skills. Then once I had more than enough cash for a Hulk, I went and trained those skills and bought a Hulk. I love how that thing rips through the asteroids.

But after the changes take place, I'm going to fly my other barges and see how they do. I might actually use my Mackinaw for ore occasionally.