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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#301 - 2012-07-28 14:12:24 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
[quote=Pipa Porto]By the way, Look at DOTLAN. GSF doesn't hold any Sov in Delve.


TEST = GSF


Nope. And when did the Blood Raiders join the CFC, as you claim?


During ATX. They had to otherwise Goons would have killed them.


So what is it like being delusional?

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#302 - 2012-07-28 14:20:05 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
You don't know who the Blood Raiders are, do you?


Yes, I do.
Pipa Porto
#303 - 2012-07-28 14:24:52 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
You don't know who the Blood Raiders are, do you?


Yes, I do.


And yet you think they're part of the CFC.

Jorma Morkkis wrote:
It's all you do in EVE. Only part of EVE that keeps you playing. You will unsub if you don't get your daily easy targets.


Link Where I said I'd Unsub.

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-RubyPorto
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#304 - 2012-07-28 14:41:23 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
You don't know who the Blood Raiders are, do you?


Yes, I do.


And yet you think they're part of the CFC.

Jorma Morkkis wrote:
It's all you do in EVE. Only part of EVE that keeps you playing. You will unsub if you don't get your daily easy targets.


Link Where I said I'd Unsub.


He probably also thinks Rogue Drones are part of the DRF.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#305 - 2012-07-28 14:47:06 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
You don't know who the Blood Raiders are, do you?


Yes, I do.


And yet you think they're part of the CFC.


Yes.

Mallak Azaria wrote:
He probably also thinks Rogue Drones are part of the DRF.


Drunken Russian Federation? No, Rogue Drones are my friends.
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#306 - 2012-07-28 17:36:51 UTC
get the shitposting e-peen contest out of the thread you wankers.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Pipa Porto
#307 - 2012-07-28 17:49:48 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
You don't know who the Blood Raiders are, do you?


Yes, I do.


And yet you think they're part of the CFC.


Yes.


This is one for the ages. We, for once, get a clear answer on something out of Jorma and it's this...

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-RubyPorto
MunnyRabbit
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#308 - 2012-07-28 20:33:42 UTC
Jorma and pipa can yall take all of this chat in game? This is the second time in the past week yall have completely derailed a thread by this senseless arguing.
Pipa Porto
#309 - 2012-07-28 21:00:22 UTC
MunnyRabbit wrote:
Jorma and pipa can yall take all of this chat in game? This is the second time in the past week yall have completely derailed a thread by this senseless arguing.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1711051#post1711051

I'm simply calling him out for making an entirely baseless personal attack on me. Do I not have the right to defend myself?

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-RubyPorto
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#310 - 2012-07-28 21:42:16 UTC
He didn't tell you not to defend yourself. He simply asked you two to take your argument / discussion / thread high jack to another forum or game chat. ;)

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Pipa Porto
#311 - 2012-07-28 22:14:34 UTC
Zyella Stormborn wrote:
He didn't tell you not to defend yourself. He simply asked you two to take your argument / discussion / thread high jack to another forum or game chat. ;)


So I shouldn't publicly defend myself from a Public attack?

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-RubyPorto
Javajunky
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#312 - 2012-07-28 23:22:46 UTC
Why don't all of you table your competition for the epic douchebaggery awards and let this thread continue on topic, no one cares about delve, blood raiders or what ever it is you to @ssclowns want to rabble about.
Pipa Porto
#313 - 2012-07-28 23:35:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Fair enough.

With the SISI dump as it stands now,

The Hulk has the best yield, a flimsy tank, and requires hauling support to be efficient.
The Mackinaw has a cavernous Ore bay, a fantastic tank,* and a better yield than the Skiff.
The Skiff has a very large Ore bay, a tank that is no more effective than the Mack's,* and the worst yield.

*Once you have enough tank that it is significantly unprofitable to gank you (the Mack would cost ~60m to gank with 4 T2 catalysts with these stats, I think), extra tank doesn't really matter. Miners will not be faced with any significant threat of ganks in a Mack, so the Skiff is useless.

I think having 2/3 Exhumers being viable is an improvement. But the goal is 3/3 and that goal is in sight.

Cut the Mack's tank to that of a Hulk (Solo Boat != AFK boat)
Cut the Skiff's Ore bay to that of a Hulks (otherwise nobody will use the Mack). Give the Skiff a WCS bonus to give it some semblance of survivability in low/null (I mainly propose this because it doesn't really matter, but the miners, they likes the idea).

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-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#314 - 2012-07-29 04:13:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Pipa Porto wrote:
Fair enough.

With the SISI dump as it stands now,

The Hulk has the best yield, a flimsy tank, and requires hauling support to be efficient.
The Mackinaw has a cavernous Ore bay, a fantastic tank,* and a better yield than the Skiff.
The Skiff has a very large Ore bay, a tank that is no more effective than the Mack's,* and the worst yield.

*Once you have enough tank that it is significantly unprofitable to gank you (the Mack would cost ~60m to gank with 4 T2 catalysts with these stats, I think), extra tank doesn't really matter. Miners will not be faced with any significant threat of ganks in a Mack, so the Skiff is useless.

I think having 2/3 Exhumers being viable is an improvement. But the goal is 3/3 and that goal is in sight.

Cut the Mack's tank to that of a Hulk (Solo Boat != AFK boat)
Cut the Skiff's Ore bay to that of a Hulks (otherwise nobody will use the Mack). Give the Skiff a WCS bonus to give it some semblance of survivability in low/null (I mainly propose this because it doesn't really matter, but the miners, they likes the idea).


If you think Mack will render Skiff's bonus useless, how would you do AFK friendly mining ship?

If you think 8000 m3 is enough for solo miner... I do most of my mining solo and I don't really care about Hulk's "small" 8000 m3 cargohold, because I have gigantic jetcan (aka Orca) right next to my mining ship. In case you didn't know Orca has way more cargo space for ore than Mack will ever have. And it has way more EHP than all three exhumers combined.
Pipa Porto
#315 - 2012-07-29 05:02:21 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Fair enough.

With the SISI dump as it stands now,

The Hulk has the best yield, a flimsy tank, and requires hauling support to be efficient.
The Mackinaw has a cavernous Ore bay, a fantastic tank,* and a better yield than the Skiff.
The Skiff has a very large Ore bay, a tank that is no more effective than the Mack's,* and the worst yield.

*Once you have enough tank that it is significantly unprofitable to gank you (the Mack would cost ~60m to gank with 4 T2 catalysts with these stats, I think), extra tank doesn't really matter. Miners will not be faced with any significant threat of ganks in a Mack, so the Skiff is useless.

I think having 2/3 Exhumers being viable is an improvement. But the goal is 3/3 and that goal is in sight.

Cut the Mack's tank to that of a Hulk (Solo Boat != AFK boat)
Cut the Skiff's Ore bay to that of a Hulks (otherwise nobody will use the Mack). Give the Skiff a WCS bonus to give it some semblance of survivability in low/null (I mainly propose this because it doesn't really matter, but the miners, they likes the idea).


If you think Mack will render Skiff's bonus useless, how would you do AFK friendly mining ship?

If you think 8000 m3 is enough for solo miner... I do most of my mining solo and I don't really care about Hulk's "small" 8000 m3 cargohold, because I have gigantic jetcan (aka Orca) right next to my mining ship. In case you didn't know Orca has way more cargo space for ore than Mack will ever have. And it has way more EHP than all three exhumers combined.


1. I wouldn't do an AFK friendly mining ship. The Mack is a Solo mining ship, not an AFK one.

2. That's not Solo mining. There's a whole second ship with you. The Mack is designed for people who don't have an Alt/Friend with a Hauler of some kind. You are describing a Fleet situation, which is favors the Hulk for extra yield.

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-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#316 - 2012-07-29 05:09:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Pipa Porto wrote:
1. I wouldn't do an AFK friendly mining ship. The Mack is a Solo mining ship, not an AFK one.

2. That's not Solo mining. There's a whole second ship with you. The Mack is designed for people who don't have an Alt/Friend with a Hauler of some kind. You are describing a Fleet situation, which is favors the Hulk for extra yield.


It's is solo mining when it's just my main and alt.

Why would it be good if Mack only has 7500 ore bay when it's aimed for people who don't have hauler alt or fleet to do hauling?

And why is AFK mining so terrible idea?
Pipa Porto
#317 - 2012-07-29 06:25:52 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
1. I wouldn't do an AFK friendly mining ship. The Mack is a Solo mining ship, not an AFK one.

2. That's not Solo mining. There's a whole second ship with you. The Mack is designed for people who don't have an Alt/Friend with a Hauler of some kind. You are describing a Fleet situation, which is favors the Hulk for extra yield.


It's is solo mining when it's just my main and alt.

Why would it be good if Mack only has 7500 ore bay when it's aimed for people who don't have hauler alt or fleet to do hauling?

And why is AFK mining so terrible idea?


Where did I say the Mack should have its Ore bay reduced?

The Mack is designed for Mining unsupported by a Hauler. The Orca is Hauler support, whether you call it solo or otherwise.

AFK Mining without Risk is a terrible idea. At the moment, the SISI Mack has enough tank to do that, meaning that the Skiff has no role.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#318 - 2012-07-29 06:31:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
1. I wouldn't do an AFK friendly mining ship. The Mack is a Solo mining ship, not an AFK one.

2. That's not Solo mining. There's a whole second ship with you. The Mack is designed for people who don't have an Alt/Friend with a Hauler of some kind. You are describing a Fleet situation, which is favors the Hulk for extra yield.


It's is solo mining when it's just my main and alt.

Why would it be good if Mack only has 7500 ore bay when it's aimed for people who don't have hauler alt or fleet to do hauling?

And why is AFK mining so terrible idea?


Where did I say the Mack should have its Ore bay reduced?

The Mack is designed for Mining unsupported by a Hauler. The Orca is Hauler support, whether you call it solo or otherwise.

AFK Mining without Risk is a terrible idea. At the moment, the SISI Mack has enough tank to do that, meaning that the Skiff has no role.


AFK mining isn't against EULA.
AFK mining != botting.

Are you afraid that AFK miner makes more isk/hr than you ganking them? I don't think so.
Like there's no other ways for AFK isk making, like for example sentry Dominix/Ishtar/Gila...
Pipa Porto
#319 - 2012-07-29 07:04:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
1. I wouldn't do an AFK friendly mining ship. The Mack is a Solo mining ship, not an AFK one.

2. That's not Solo mining. There's a whole second ship with you. The Mack is designed for people who don't have an Alt/Friend with a Hauler of some kind. You are describing a Fleet situation, which is favors the Hulk for extra yield.


It's is solo mining when it's just my main and alt.

Why would it be good if Mack only has 7500 ore bay when it's aimed for people who don't have hauler alt or fleet to do hauling?

And why is AFK mining so terrible idea?


Where did I say the Mack should have its Ore bay reduced?

The Mack is designed for Mining unsupported by a Hauler. The Orca is Hauler support, whether you call it solo or otherwise.

AFK Mining without Risk is a terrible idea. At the moment, the SISI Mack has enough tank to do that, meaning that the Skiff has no role.


AFK mining isn't against EULA.
AFK mining != botting.

Are you afraid that AFK miner makes more isk/hr than you ganking them? I don't think so.
Like there's no other ways for AFK isk making, like for example sentry Dominix/Ishtar/Gila...


Where did I say AFK mining is against the EULA? Quote and Link, please.
Where did I say AFK mining is botting. Quote and Link, please.

Stop trying to put up straw men. You're just bad at it.


You should not be able to make Isk AFK without risk. The AFK Sentryboat in a PLEX ("AFK" Mission ships are nowhere near as AFK as Ice mining in the new Mack is) make less Isk/hr than a Mack, and will lose several hours of profit if he gets bumped away from his sentries.

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-RubyPorto
Dave stark
#320 - 2012-07-29 07:12:12 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
1. I wouldn't do an AFK friendly mining ship. The Mack is a Solo mining ship, not an AFK one.

2. That's not Solo mining. There's a whole second ship with you. The Mack is designed for people who don't have an Alt/Friend with a Hauler of some kind. You are describing a Fleet situation, which is favors the Hulk for extra yield.


It's is solo mining when it's just my main and alt.

Why would it be good if Mack only has 7500 ore bay when it's aimed for people who don't have hauler alt or fleet to do hauling?

And why is AFK mining so terrible idea?


Where did I say the Mack should have its Ore bay reduced?

The Mack is designed for Mining unsupported by a Hauler. The Orca is Hauler support, whether you call it solo or otherwise.

AFK Mining without Risk is a terrible idea. At the moment, the SISI Mack has enough tank to do that, meaning that the Skiff has no role.


the skiff does have a role; it's for tanking rats in 0.0.

it just won't have a place in high sec; and why is that an issue? the hulk no longer seems to have a place outside fleets.