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Foreign Troops to Confiscate American Guns Under UN Treaty

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#21 - 2012-07-28 06:34:48 UTC
Huh... that webiste is NOT like The Onion, right? I mean, they really mean it, right?

(Shifts mild laugh at a silly joke for shaking head at the lows of American firearm paranoia)

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#22 - 2012-07-28 08:35:12 UTC
Well it's looking like the treaty fell apart, but based on the account of how it fell apart, with a lack of attempts at coercion from the US State Department, it might be a NDAA Hail Mary play where they say it's dead, and then next day you hear it's signed.


Not like it matters. It's the UN, after all.


Long ago we had a chart for much UN biosphere land you would be awarded for the ranks on the UN tags you turned in. What, did you think CCP came up with that idea?


Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Adam Junior
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-07-28 09:47:47 UTC
lol, infowars
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2012-07-28 09:49:32 UTC
Linna Excel wrote:
rodyas wrote:
More like constitution being broken since I can remember or something.


Only the useful idiots who don't know or have forgotten why the things that are in there are in there and why they are important. We have it because the US is supposed to be a nation of the rule of law, not the rule of whim.


Its in there because the USA feared a British invasion in 1776.
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#25 - 2012-07-28 15:07:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Shameless Avenger
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Huh... that webiste is NOT like The Onion, right? I mean, they really mean it, right?

(Shifts mild laugh at a silly joke for shaking head at the lows of American firearm paranoia)


Would you prefer to get the information from the United Nation's Website directly?

Here you go: http://www.un.org/en/ga/64/resolutions.shtml

Keep in mind that once you start following information on the UN Website, everything becomes obfuscated (like our own CSM). Titles are often replaced with "Resolution #xyz" and "Agenda Item #x".

If you scroll down that list to topic "The arms trade treaty", you'll find this link A/RES/64/48. it reads:

"Sixty-fourth session
Agenda item 96 (z)

Resolution adopted by the General Assembly
[on the report of the First Committee (A/64/391)]
64/48. The arms trade treaty"

Many parts of the document refer to other reports, again, obfuscating everything. Example:

"Calls upon all States to implement, on a national basis, the relevant
recommendations contained in section VII of the report of the Group of
Governmental Experts,2 recommends that all States carefully consider how to
achieve such implementation in order to ensure that their national import and export
control systems are of the highest possible standard, and urges those States in a
position to do so to render assistance in this regard upon request;"


It's pretty much like trying to read Object Oriented Code... you need to keep opening files and libraries to decode the info... :\

The report A/64/391 starts by saying:

"Sixty-fourth session
Agenda item 96
General and complete disarmament"

It talks about nuclear & chemical weapons but it also talks about "Conventional arms control at the regional and subregional levels". Not only the weapons, ammunition too: "Problems arising from the accumulation of conventional ammunition stockpiles in surplus".

It's 100+ pages document... it's gonna take me some time to read it all...

PS: And here's is a nice tutorial on how to find UN documents

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#26 - 2012-07-28 15:59:15 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Huh... that webiste is NOT like The Onion, right? I mean, they really mean it, right?

(Shifts mild laugh at a silly joke for shaking head at the lows of American firearm paranoia)


Would you prefer to get the information from the United Nation's Website directly?

Here you go: http://www.un.org/en/ga/64/resolutions.shtml

Keep in mind that once you start following information on the UN Website, everything becomes obfuscated (like our own CSM). Titles are often replaced with "Resolution #xyz" and "Agenda Item #x".

If you scroll down that list to topic "The arms trade treaty", you'll find this link A/RES/64/48. it reads:

"Sixty-fourth session
Agenda item 96 (z)

Resolution adopted by the General Assembly
[on the report of the First Committee (A/64/391)]
64/48. The arms trade treaty"

Many parts of the document refer to other reports, again, obfuscating everything. Example:

"Calls upon all States to implement, on a national basis, the relevant
recommendations contained in section VII of the report of the Group of
Governmental Experts,2 recommends that all States carefully consider how to
achieve such implementation in order to ensure that their national import and export
control systems are of the highest possible standard, and urges those States in a
position to do so to render assistance in this regard upon request;"


It's pretty much like trying to read Object Oriented Code... you need to keep opening files and libraries to decode the info... :\

The report A/64/391 starts by saying:

"Sixty-fourth session
Agenda item 96
General and complete disarmament"

It talks about nuclear & chemical weapons but it also talks about "Conventional arms control at the regional and subregional levels". Not only the weapons, ammunition too: "Problems arising from the accumulation of conventional ammunition stockpiles in surplus".

It's 100+ pages document... it's gonna take me some time to read it all...

PS: And here's is a nice tutorial on how to find UN documents


Flahs news: nobody cares of how many guns American owe. As far as I am concerned, personally, you should make mandatory to owe a weapon in every household and subsidize the poorer chaps if they can't afford one.

Then once achieved, you should make mandatory that everyone over 16 had a gun and learned to use it.

And then lower the mandatory possession age to 10 and build a shooting range in every primary school.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#27 - 2012-07-28 16:20:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Shameless Avenger
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

Flahs news: nobody cares of how many guns American owe. As far as I am concerned, personally, you should make mandatory to owe a weapon in every household and subsidize the poorer chaps if they can't afford one.

Then once achieved, you should make mandatory that everyone over 16 had a gun and learned to use it.

And then lower the mandatory possession age to 10 and build a shooting range in every primary school.


Another bad troll attempt (obviously, *you* care).

Don't worry about our youth. We have excellent youth marksmanship programs already and enough supply of youth-stock'd 22lr's. When my son goes to backyard, squirrels run in fear...Twisted

And for those who *do* care: McKenzie, demonstrating how to handle an AR-15 Big smile

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stoicfaux
#28 - 2012-07-28 16:32:20 UTC
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jObsyBo31uLAlu6uB3DJF09yTV6g?docId=765f4e3bc5fa48c3bc79622b2990820b

"....well-enshrined legal principle that says no treaty can override the Constitution or U.S. laws."


The whole goal of the treaty is to get a handle on international gun trafficking. The idea that the treaty would allow foreign boots on US soil to take privately owned weapons is stupid. Personally, I would be more worried about whether the treaty would impact the profits/jobs of US gun companies selling weapons internationally.

Anyway, IMO, the level of FUD and outright lies that have the US conservative party and its related interests have been spouting over the last few years has reached new lows. My greatest concern is that a large number of US citizens believe this stuff even when a few minutes of research shows such claims/fears to be completely false or baseless.

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Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-07-28 18:37:27 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#30 - 2012-07-28 19:10:51 UTC




Florida was one of the first states to be a "shall issue" status CCW issuer. "Shall issue" means that if you are not a criminal or nut, lacking felony convictions and domestic violence misdemeanors/restraining orders, you could get a permit. No having to be a politician or go begging to one.

This was back in the 1980s, when there was serious crime in Florida.

As was expected then, there was the usual arm waving and claims of "people are going to have shootouts over parking spaces!!!".


Instead homicide dropped around 30 percent.

In Florida, you can keep a loaded gun in your car without a permit provided that it's in "three layers of retention". Yes you read that right.


Florida lacks a certain feature that the north end of the eastern seaboard has: demographic seperation by real estate. In New York for example, if you live away from the cities, you live in a house that costs probably at least a quarter million dollars (two bedroom, no garage likely) but someone just out of jail cannot afford to "live out there" and if they say, got on a bus, and tried to get out there to victimize your unarmed butt, the cops would stop them because they would stick out like a sore thumb.

In Florida, you can live in an upscale town, and get in your expensive car, and at the first intersection you are in, waiting for the light, the person next to you just got out of jail, the person on the other side is probably going to jail,. and the person who just ran the red light probably has a warrant out for his arrest.

So you see the difference. If you live out in the suburbs in the north, you have to go out of your way to cross paths with criminals. But in the south, you will have one living next door.


Now the question is, how do you like it? in order to have some security in your life (you know, find your car the way you left it, not have to have a friend live in your house when you are away,even for a day, etc) would you prefer to:

1. live in a state where everybody has a gun and criminals have to think twice or
2. live in a state where nobody is armed and if you want to be safer, work three jobs so you can afford that expensive small house with the 10000 per year property tax.


Of course, you are not always safe in the latter case. In 1993, Collin Ferguson, a black guy who did not like whiteys, and also a bit off his rocker, decided he was going to kill a bunch of white people. So he..... got a a train to Long Island because, and he admitted this, he knew that the Whitey McWhitebreads are nice law-abiding people who are not likely to be armed - obeying all those gun laws of New York they were. They were his target. So you see, buying the expensive house on Long Island didn't work for the 20+ people he shot. Nor did the strict laws of New York.


In the end, most of America does not consider New York a part of America anyway.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
#31 - 2012-07-28 19:12:24 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:


Flahs news: nobody cares of how many guns American owe. As far as I am concerned, personally, you should make mandatory to owe a weapon in every household and subsidize the poorer chaps if they can't afford one.

Then once achieved, you should make mandatory that everyone over 16 had a gun and learned to use it.

And then lower the mandatory possession age to 10 and build a shooting range in every primary school.



Ishtanchuk Fazmarai for President in 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-07-28 20:08:29 UTC
MinefieldS wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:


Flahs news: nobody cares of how many guns American owe. As far as I am concerned, personally, you should make mandatory to owe a weapon in every household and subsidize the poorer chaps if they can't afford one.

Then once achieved, you should make mandatory that everyone over 16 had a gun and learned to use it.

And then lower the mandatory possession age to 10 and build a shooting range in every primary school.



Ishtanchuk Fazmarai for President in 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Actually schools used to have shooting teams before the emo kids went nuts

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Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#33 - 2012-07-28 20:32:54 UTC
Archery was so much fun :C

Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2012-07-28 22:08:40 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:


Actually schools used to have shooting teams before the emo kids went nuts


Is there no end to the fun things they destroy?
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-07-28 22:39:58 UTC
Silly yanks, whining about your gun laws, and yet you have done nothing useful with your guns. You still let corrupt leader after corrupt leader run your country, and allow things like NDAA and Patriot Act to pass and let your freedoms be stripped away. You will let this one slide by as well I think.

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#36 - 2012-07-29 04:17:13 UTC
^ Those are usefull programs. Guns are useful to cure boredom as well as to impress friends. They are useful for shooting locks open. And useful for pistol whipping.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-07-29 05:06:50 UTC
rodyas wrote:
And useful for pistol whipping.


Substitute a vertical or horizontal buttstroke for rifles

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#38 - 2012-07-29 08:10:11 UTC
Sidus Isaacs wrote:
Silly yanks, whining about your gun laws, and yet you have done nothing useful with your guns. You still let corrupt leader after corrupt leader run your country, and allow things like NDAA and Patriot Act to pass and let your freedoms be stripped away. You will let this one slide by as well I think.




Stealing from Churchill in regards to the political scene: "Never have so few caused so much trouble for so many and lived so long at the patience of so many more".


We just haven't done it yet. But need I go into 4th Generation Warfare and the need to beat the tyrants peacefully first, then they start the violence, and then we use them as meat puppets until they start to stink.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#39 - 2012-07-29 08:36:02 UTC
Nylith Empyreal wrote:
Archery was so much fun :C


And kinda sexy...

Archery fast shooting

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leviticus ander
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-07-29 10:08:18 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Nylith Empyreal wrote:
Archery was so much fun :C


And kinda sexy...

Archery fast shooting

that would be fun to learn. as to the militarization of schools, if done in a manner that teaches control and the mentality before anything, it might work. also, turn it into a military training system for children. this would also help fight the obesity problem.
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