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no, once again there's never been an issue carrying such a volume of crystals nor did any on even remotely think it was out of balance.

the hulk is designed to be the max yield ship, yet it can't be because of this glaring oversight that ccp :almost: fixed.

clearly you don't mine in high sec very much, from 1 warp in spot on a belt i can often clear all of 1 type of ore before i even fill a jetcan, swapping crystals is a must in that kind of situation.

why are we now having to sacrifice things that were never before even remotely an issue? if they want us to mine less, reduce the amount that strips mine; don't do it by making t2 strips a pain in the ass to use by not letting us carry ammunition for them. just imagine how much all the combat pilots would complain if you reduced all of the combat ships cargo holds to 50m3 so they had to pick between being able to reload, or being able to change damage type. they'd be just as annoyed at such a change.

again it it shouldn't need a fleet to work as a ship. it was never an issue before that it could do it; why should it be so now? you shouldn't have to be in a fleet just to use modules that you've been using for the last god knows how long. are there other ships that require a fleet to work besides fleet booster modules? i can't think of any.

can i strip 5 different kinds of ore without needing a hauler? i don't know, can i scan mining sites from the station the second i log in?

yes, it is a nerf, after they said they wanted to keep the hulk as it was. the hulk was only the king of mining because it had cargo, tank, and yield. it had everything, not just good mining capabilities.
and yes, there was a reason to use a skiff, but only in 0.0.

even if you do want max yield you won't get it from the max yield ship if you can't carry a sufficient stock of crystals (which was never an issue before and has only been made an issue by ccp's terrible allocation of cargo on the new hulk which has had several perfectly acceptable solutions posted).

i appreciate that you should only get the best out of a hulk when in a fleet, you shouldn't require a fleet for it to do the minimum though. your noctis is there to salvage and haul loot, not to drop off reloads for your raven. same thing here, your fleet haulers should be there to haul your ore, not your crystals.

It doesnt require a fleet to mine, it requires a fleet to mine all of the minerals without docking.

youre getting your desieres confused with utility, saying that the ship doesnt work at all without a fleet is moronic. The ship still mines ore, in fact it still mines 5 different types of ore without needing any support.



so what youre saying is that youre not willing to do any prep work before mining, you just want to mindlessly go into a belt with all the crystals and mine anything that happens to be there because you cant be asked to prepare for what might be in the belt? Im so sorry that CCP has nerfed your lazy way of life.



I dont recall them saying that they wanted to keep the hulk the way it was, just that they wanted to keep the hulk and the biggest yield ship, and perhaps that they wanted to keep the yield similar, but this is off topic.

By your own admission the hulk had it all, cargo, tank and yield, it had everything. Guess what happens to a PvP ship when it "has everything"? It gets nerfed because it is overpowered.

And saying there was a reason to use the skiff is really kinda ignorant . . . especially in 0.0 where the +2 warp scramble strength means nothing. The only place that the skiff may have had a home is low sec because it has a fast (relativly) warp out time and +2 scramble strength.



so your definition of "sufficient stock" is 200 cycles (the average life of a crystal) of every crystal in the game? you realize thats more than 100 hours worth of mining, thatd be like me asking for my tempest to hold 674,151 rounds? I would say 100 hours is way more than "sufficient"


Again, your hulk can go into a belt and mine 5 different types of ore just fine without a fleet. The fact that this isnt what YOU want to do is YOUR problem

you realize that a crystal only breaks once every 200 cycles on average right? you realize that even with perfect fleet boost thats still like 6 hours right? you realize that giving a ship 1 of each crystal is saying "there is no more choice any more, just load 1 of each crystal and youre good for your whole mining op"


The way it will be august 9th
On the one hand, we have a hulk, great mining yield, but cant hold more than 5 sets of crystals

On the other hand, we have a skiff, great tank, worse mining yield than the hulk but holds one set of each crystal in the game

Pick one (note the word pick denotes an interesting choice)

The way it used to be
On the one hand we have a hulk . . . that is all folks


Which one of the two examples above is the more interesting choice?

the ship doesn't work without a fleet. if i can't carry enough crystals to mine with it; i won't use it because other ships can carry enough crystals. it's role is the highest yield ship; that can't be fulfilled without a fleet. why is the hulk the only ship that should be subject to this unnecessary constraint?
great 5 ores, so which 10 ores are we removing?

yeah because having to scan down a grav site to begin with isn't prep, right?
it's hardly lazy, before i did prepare; i made sure i had enough crystals. now i can't make sure i have enough crystals BECAUSE THERE'S NO ROOM FOR THEM.

the hulk did get nerfed because it had it all; you can't give it the max cargo yield now, you can't give it the biggest tank now; and as you see we're also struggling to keep it with the highest yield due to the crystal issue.
you're also a moron. the skiff was never good in low sec because it's yield was **** while mining ****** ores. nobody with half a brain mines in low sec let alone with a ship outmined by a goddamn t1 cruiser. your stupidity is astounding; it was only used in 0.0 because that's where you find mercoxit. it's a mercoxit dedicated mining ship. the fact that you call me ignorant without even knowing what a ship's purpose is really undermines any credibility you had.

my definition of sufficient stock is 1 set of crystals for each ore. that's no worse than a raven pilot taking 1k of each type of torp for his raven so he can swap damage types. it's hardly unreasonable is it?
it's not like i want to go back to the days where i could take 5+ sets of crystals for all ores and STILL have room for ore.

quite right, it is my problem that's why i've suggested several fixes for the issue that would have been both easier on ccp's half and made a lot more sense than what they've done now. however i'm guessing due to your vehement ignorance and inability to accept that this is an issue that you've never mined a day in your life.

also a quick comment on downgrading to t1 strips on the hulk; that puts the mackinaw at a higher yield, tank, and cargo capacity. hence we go back to the situation we're in now. except we're all flying mackinaws.

4136 m3 yield on a t2 strip mackinaw vs 4096m3 yield on a hulk per cycle.

no you interrupted the insightful contribution of the OP, probably the only one who posted stuff which is in topic and worth reading. Then you (generic "you") started trolling the thread, it was page 3. Yesterday they gave you some love reducing the crystal volume, but it looks like you just can't stop it.

So I feel like my contribution could be very much appreciated by many. I repeat the question: can you stop it please?

once again; the hulk should not be a case of "only works in fleets". it should be "works best in fleets"

News from Sisi? Hulk Cargo has changed.

Yes,.....it is now not 500 it is now 350m³ gggrrrr are they just Id..ots?

Icerole on Mack is back.

No Crystalhangar till now.


Buy Stripminer I now, it will be the Future!!!!! :-( Think about to relog next year.

I think the process of communication has broken down . . . seriously it "works" if when you target an asterroid and turn the lasers on, you get ore when the cycle finishes. Everything else is gravy.

Now I understand that it doesnt do everything that you want it to do, but neither do ANY of my PvP ships, do they not "work" either?

What is your definition of "works"