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Evilweasle gave out too much economy advice, therefor he is trying to scam us or troll us.

While I understand that Cobalt is, and will for the foreseeable future sell at less than cost, you have to assume the people running the moon want some profit from it. Add to that the cost of the fuel blocks and you have a nice wide margin for tech moon owners to make, because for every isk the Cobalt moon miners want, the tech moon miners make 10x that amount.

Remember, reaction towers are not safe nor are they easy to maintain, so the profits won't be driven to zero by the idiots who think the minerals they mine are free.

ok, ive looked over the numbers in the spreadsheet, and it appears theyre manipulating the numbers for a worst case scenario.

#1 theyre assuming a 15 fuel block per hour price cost for the tower - this means a medium tower in 0.0 space with sov. This is perfectly understandable, but what theyre saying is that there are so many cobalt moons in 0.0 that they can and will hold down the market. This i seriously doubt, simply because any sov holding alliance large enough to control a significant portion of moons isnt going to screw with it without a significant profit which brings me to my second point

#2 theyre assuming 100 million a month profit - again i suppose this is understandable, but when I was in the north, i saw moons that could make 300 million a month go towerless because "its not worth our time in logistics" Even my alliance wont even look at me if i dont come up with a setup that makes at least 500 million a month. You also have to remember, whatever the alchemy producers are making, each tech moon makes 10x that much in clear profit.


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I understand that alchemy could push the Tech price to essentially cost, but that would require a lot of people doing a lot of work for almost no return, just like mining could push the mineral price to zero, but who would do all that work for nothing?

This is because you can hit the alchemy limit with just mining systems with 4+ cobalt moons and a station. Nobody will tower the lone cobalt moon in Venal. This circles back to the "you can only alchemize so many moons" point.

However, if you believe 100m is a bad estimate, the sheet lets you alter that. 100m is what I consider the correct estimate, but if you convince Fozzie that something else is correct then he can pick that option on his version of the sheet.

true, but to extend this claim to our current conversation and continue using the numbers we put forth earlier, you'd have to also agree that these people are selling the cobalt from 0.0 to get the fuel discount that was mentioned, and that these people wouldnt mind losing another 2000 CPU from their tower for the reactor and the extra silo needed for this chain. Both of these I would doubt

Doesn't this seem broken to people? I don't understand why moon harvesters and silos should have the same fitting requirements. Maybe it's late in the game to make such a drastic change, though.

I was responding to the claim that cobalt is currently sold under cost. He was saying (I think) that the people currently selling cobalt under cost might simply change to selling PT under cost. My response to that is it costs 2000 more CPU to turn cobalt and platinum into PT and that the idiots selling cobalt under price are not (mainly) in 0.0 and are therefore not getting the fuel bonus which we discussed earlier.

That's good waka waka stuff !

People don't even honor those agreements for much more serious RL matters, figures in a game.

As someone who setup an Orca and macks when ice got up to above 1100 I can easily tell you that the amount of AFK ice mining done in there was already absolute and total.

After the hottest spike of Hulkageddon, the second part (the "perma" phase) has failed considerably so it's back to 100 people in local, ALL AFK mining in peace except me who I took statistics all the time.