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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1541 - 2012-07-27 23:25:42 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:


Your point has no meanings when you clearly don't want to recognise the initial point: ganking is not intended to be profitable.

All you do is fake propaganda and crocodile tears, point blank, so cry me a river.


So why did CCP alter the stats again so that they were not stupidly overtanked?

See unlike you I am looking at more than "lol gankers cant make money anymore" and pointed out some rather big flaws in the plan. The irony of all of this is I still think the procurer and retriver need more tank.
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#1542 - 2012-07-27 23:25:55 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:


Yes, you are absolutely ******* right. I cant run a mission, buy 10 thrashers for me and 9 of my closest friends, and kill a miner. How stupid of me to think that I could both run a mission and gank a miner. I cannot possibly do 2 things in eve.

I really used to believe you were not just a troll. I simply cannot believe that you don't understand the simple concept I am presenting. So I have to ask, do you really not understand that gankers DO NOT need to profit from ganking itself to be able to sustain the act of ganking indefinitely?


In order to run missions you have to stop ganking. Make a profit on ganking and you can just keep on ganking.

Not even the goons could keep up ganking miners forever at a loss, the funds run out. The burn Jita weekend was great fun but again, that kind of level of killing cannot be sustained at a loss. Go ahead and look at the KBs, you will find just about every single gank victim who died was worth more in loot than the ship that killed him.

This is the very simple fact of ganking, 99% of the time it is done for profit.

If I just want to kill for the fun of killing why would I go for a supertank hulk when I can kill 10 untanked hulks?


My industry toon is good for 100 mil a day passive, easy. After I pay for 4 PLEX that leaves 35 million to gank with. I can easily gank on the other 3 accounts the whole time, and use the industry toon to scout, salvage, loot, and mine.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1543 - 2012-07-27 23:27:31 UTC
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:


My industry toon is good for 100 mil a day passive, easy. After I pay for 4 PLEX that leaves 35 million to gank with. I can easily gank on the other 3 accounts the whole time, and use the industry toon to scout, salvage, loot, and mine.


Now gank a supertank hulk in 0.7 space with 3 tornados. How many ganks till you run out of isk a day?
Tesal
#1544 - 2012-07-27 23:29:06 UTC
79 pages of ganker tears. I posted back before the gank nerf was announced that this would happen. Any time an activity gets out of control CCP nerfs it. There is a long history of this. No one should be surprised that after 9000 exhumers dead CCP decided to do something.
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#1545 - 2012-07-27 23:29:42 UTC
Quote:
Your point has no meanings when you clearly don't want to recognise the initial point: ganking is not intended to be profitable.

All you do is fake propaganda and crocodile tears, point blank, so cry me a river.


That point has already been acknowledged, and is completely irrelevant to current situation on the server, and the situation post fix.

You just don't understand the mechanics of the game well enough to argue about it.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#1546 - 2012-07-27 23:29:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
baltec1 wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:


Your point has no meanings when you clearly don't want to recognise the initial point: ganking is not intended to be profitable.

All you do is fake propaganda and crocodile tears, point blank, so cry me a river.


So why did CCP alter the stats again so that they were not stupidly overtanked?

See unlike you I am looking at more than "lol gankers cant make money anymore" and pointed out some rather big flaws in the plan. The irony of all of this is I still think the procurer and retriver need more tank.



Doesn't matter if Hulks get 50k EHP et 35 and/or decent PG/CPU/Slots to fit a dam tank, you'll find ways to cry anyway, you fool no one else around but yourself.

Sry, but this is a fact.

brb
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#1547 - 2012-07-27 23:31:20 UTC
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
Quote:
Your point has no meanings when you clearly don't want to recognise the initial point: ganking is not intended to be profitable.

All you do is fake propaganda and crocodile tears, point blank, so cry me a river.


That point has already been acknowledged, and is completely irrelevant to current situation on the server, and the situation post fix.

You just don't understand the mechanics of the game well enough to argue about it.



Of course, I don't that's why I post here like all of you.

/butt kiss

brb
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1548 - 2012-07-27 23:33:49 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:



Doesn't matter if Hulks get 50k EHP et 35 and/or decent PG/CPU/Slots to fit a dam tank, you'll find ways to cry anyway, you foo no one else around but yourself.

Sry, but this is a fact.


What is a fact is that before the recent changes the skiff was redered useless. Now that CCP have reduced the buff to HP the skiff has a roll to fill.

There are other issues but the biggest has now been solved. If you want to all but garentee survivability buy a skiff.
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#1549 - 2012-07-27 23:34:07 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:


My industry toon is good for 100 mil a day passive, easy. After I pay for 4 PLEX that leaves 35 million to gank with. I can easily gank on the other 3 accounts the whole time, and use the industry toon to scout, salvage, loot, and mine.


Now gank a supertank hulk in 0.7 space with 3 tornados. How many ganks till you run out of isk a day?


None, because I'm not a ******* halfwit. I would just use destroyers and friends/corpies. I would then have enough ISK to do it approximately 6 times.
Pipa Porto
#1550 - 2012-07-27 23:41:23 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:


Your point has no meanings when you clearly don't want to recognise the initial point: ganking is not intended to be profitable.

All you do is fake propaganda and crocodile tears, point blank, so cry me a river.


So why did CCP alter the stats again so that they were not stupidly overtanked?

See unlike you I am looking at more than "lol gankers cant make money anymore" and pointed out some rather big flaws in the plan. The irony of all of this is I still think the procurer and retriver need more tank.



Doesn't matter if Hulks get 50k EHP et 35 and/or decent PG/CPU/Slots to fit a dam tank, you'll find ways to cry anyway, you fool no one else around but yourself.

Sry, but this is a fact.


I'm fine with the current Hulk stats on Sisi. Brick tanked, it's ~22k EHP. This means that, if you're not willing to take active measures to protect yourself, you are better off in a Mackinaw.

Now, I think the Mackinaw's tank should be nerfed a bit so that the Skiff has a role. If that happens, it will be best to AFK in a Skiff because of its 17k Ore Hold. Which should be nerfed a bit so the Mack has a role.

I don't care how big a tank the Skiff can fit, it's job is to fit a big tank while mining. I'm fine with 200k EHP, so long as it's got a ~Hulk Sized Ore bay and the current SISI yield.

I don't care how big an Ore Hold the Mack has, it's job is to fit a ton of Ore while mining. I'm fine with 37-40-50k m3, so long as it's relatively flimsy (brick to ~30k EHP), and the current SISI yield.

The new Build Hulk looks fine to me. Flimsy, small Cargo, but great yield if you can protect it and haul for it.


This way, none of the 3 Exhumers step on each other's new roles and there is a real choice between them.

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Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1551 - 2012-07-27 23:42:43 UTC
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:


My industry toon is good for 100 mil a day passive, easy. After I pay for 4 PLEX that leaves 35 million to gank with. I can easily gank on the other 3 accounts the whole time, and use the industry toon to scout, salvage, loot, and mine.


Now gank a supertank hulk in 0.7 space with 3 tornados. How many ganks till you run out of isk a day?


None, because I'm not a ******* halfwit. I would just use destroyers and friends/corpies.

Counterpoint: you use the term corpie ans thus are a halfwit.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#1552 - 2012-07-27 23:44:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:


My industry toon is good for 100 mil a day passive, easy. After I pay for 4 PLEX that leaves 35 million to gank with. I can easily gank on the other 3 accounts the whole time, and use the industry toon to scout, salvage, loot, and mine.


Now gank a supertank hulk in 0.7 space with 3 tornados. How many ganks till you run out of isk a day?


None, because I'm not a ******* halfwit. I would just use destroyers and friends/corpies. I would then have enough ISK to do it approximately 6 times.


No, to be fair in Baltec words the proper rebalance is mining barges with 1K ehp 1 mid 1low 1high and -25% tank if using drones, so he can kill those with a T1 rifter and say "hey fit a tank"

This thread and arguments is going beyond any possible reason and it's exactly what makes Eve so sad. Keep listening scrubs and make a scrub game, when they have nothing left but other scrubs to target and it gives the crap of null sec you have right now.

/bravo

brb
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#1553 - 2012-07-27 23:45:30 UTC
Tesal wrote:
79 pages of ganker tears. I posted back before the gank nerf was announced that this would happen. Any time an activity gets out of control CCP nerfs it. There is a long history of this. No one should be surprised that after 9000 exhumers dead CCP decided to do something.

Tesal wrote:
79 pages of ganker tears.


Wut
Suqq Madiq
#1554 - 2012-07-27 23:46:57 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Counterpoint: you use the term corpie ans thus are a halfwit.


Counterpoint to your counterpoint: You misspelled "and" as "ans" thus you are an idiot.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1555 - 2012-07-27 23:47:21 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:


My industry toon is good for 100 mil a day passive, easy. After I pay for 4 PLEX that leaves 35 million to gank with. I can easily gank on the other 3 accounts the whole time, and use the industry toon to scout, salvage, loot, and mine.


Now gank a supertank hulk in 0.7 space with 3 tornados. How many ganks till you run out of isk a day?


None, because I'm not a ******* halfwit. I would just use destroyers and friends/corpies. I would then have enough ISK to do it approximately 6 times.


No, to be fair in Baltec words the proper rebalance is mining barges with 1K ehp 1 mid 1low 1high and -25% tank if using drones, so he can kill those with a T1 rifter and say "hey fit a tank"

This thread and arguments is going beyond any possible reason and it's exactly what makes Eve so sad. Keep listening scrubs and make a scrub game, when they have nothing left but other scrubs to target and it gives the crap of null sec you have right now.

/bravo


Nice to see you have read nothing of what I have been putting down. lurk more post less.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1556 - 2012-07-27 23:48:52 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:


My industry toon is good for 100 mil a day passive, easy. After I pay for 4 PLEX that leaves 35 million to gank with. I can easily gank on the other 3 accounts the whole time, and use the industry toon to scout, salvage, loot, and mine.


Now gank a supertank hulk in 0.7 space with 3 tornados. How many ganks till you run out of isk a day?


None, because I'm not a ******* halfwit. I would just use destroyers and friends/corpies.

Counterpoint: you use the term corpie ans thus are a halfwit.


You just earned 1 day as DBRBs cyno ship for miss spelling "and" in a post about halfwits
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#1557 - 2012-07-27 23:51:49 UTC
This thread is really awesome and self explanatory of the game it self.

So the biggest alliances known guys/posters are crying because they can run their multiple xxxxxxxxx 10 high sec neutral and probably NPC alts but will have hard time ganking the eventual miner afk for peanuts/beer/fun with his wife or whatever.

So this is what is all about? -Eve got really really really down the hill in terms of mature community.

brb
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#1558 - 2012-07-27 23:57:29 UTC
Quote:
This thread and arguments is going beyond any possible reason and it's exactly what makes Eve so sad


Right, broken mechanics half a decade or older aren't sad, they will be fixed soon™. People 'whining' and 'crying' about them with 'irrational arguments' are whats 'sad'.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1559 - 2012-07-27 23:59:14 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
This thread is really awesome and self explanatory of the game it self.

So the biggest alliances known guys/posters are crying because they can run their multiple xxxxxxxxx 10 high sec neutral and probably NPC alts but will have hard time ganking the eventual miner afk for peanuts/beer/fun with his wife or whatever.

So this is what is all about? -Eve got really really really down the hill in terms of mature community.


You say this while the "evil gankers" are saying we are happy about the skiff getting a new roll as a brick tank that gankers will avoid attacking.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1560 - 2012-07-28 00:00:33 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:


Now, I think the Mackinaw's tank should be nerfed a bit so that the Skiff has a role. If that happens, it will be best to AFK in a Skiff because of its 17k Ore Hold. Which should be nerfed a bit so the Mack has a role.


Nice way to give roles. "I make this crappier so they will use the other. But hey, let's also make the other ship more crappier so people will have to pick the less worst".

Made with this mentality, the current Retriever keeps a fraction price tag and is almost a copy of the Mack.

I suggest you file for a position at CCP, the results would be pyroclastic.

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