Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Would you mind to post where you read that? I never saw it for sure.

If you are looking for role definition, perhaps there can be Logistics and Command versions of the frigates.

If there was S/M/L/XL gang mods and some sort of tiered mindlinks then you could give the Tanky frigates the ability to boost their gang attributes. And the bigger gang mods could boost more, incentivizing carriers into normal engagements.

And logistics frigates would be awesome for frigate gangs.

Well the tormentor sounds like a fun boat and something I'll probably try. And sure I can crosstrain but it SUCKS to have specialiezed in a race just to get stupid useless bonuses like 'less cap usage' even after rebalancing while others get damage increasing bonuses. :/

And tell this to gallente pilots with their awesome active armor tanking bonus which is a lot more situational than a cap usage bonus. Oh, and try finding a fleet boat for them too. Beside long point ship, it's a desert, as opposed to to amarr who does have solo/small gang capabilities. Railgun are plain worst than beam, leaving gallente nothing but support for fleet warfare.

+ what Mechael said.

Never said active armor tanking bonus is great, but at least they have a lot less cap consumption on their weapons standard so they dont really have need for it and their damage isn't worse however it requires them to be closer but with better tracking.



"Almost all the time", except the tracking is worse so its hard to hit, this has all been said in the thread already so no point to bring it up again. Im just trying to point out that there are some imbalances here and it sucks thus hoping CCP will take mercy on my race and try to fix this issue up.

Dude, could you elaborate that formula part? Since it is apparently a game-fixer, might as well expand a bit more on that topic.

I've been so long in the game, but never really got behind that specific field of theory craft.
(I'm not talking about falloff/optimal range mechanics ;D)

To CCP Yitterbium, CCP Tallest, and CCP Fozzie,

A couple questions and a request.

What are the broad design goals, choices for each of the races combat ships, what are they supposed to be good at?

To me it seems, that Amarr is supposed to be good at lasers, passive armor tanking, and capacitor. With secondary weapons being drones and missiles, though it looks like your giving most races drones and missile ships eventually.

Minmatar, projectiles, missiles, speed, and active shield tanking. Though by far the most versatile race.

Gallente, Blasters, drones, active armor tanking, agility(?).

Caldari, Railguns, Missiles, passive shield tanking.

These of course don't list the EWAR of each race which is much more obvious.

My other question/request is, can we please get rid of the need for Amarr to have a bonus to using lasers? I'm not particularly picky about how it happens. I just think the a race I see as being the capacitor race, seems a little silly to have to have a bonus to cap to have your ship not cap out on its own. And on some ships before you even start talking about active tanking or using energy neutralizers. Shouldn't my ships be more cap stable than the rusty ships that have to fit solar panels not to cap out? Because at the moment and even after some, not all, of the changes they are not.

Does it seem unreasonable to want to be able to use my guns, some required ewar ((scram point or web), and a propulsion mod without capping out? I have very good cap skills but even EFTing some Amarr ships or going on the test server, I can't even do the basics for combat without running out of Capacitor.

Also you may want to consider the unpopularity of Amarr ships in the last Alliance Tourney as evidence that Amarr ships as a whole have gotten to the point where they need some love. I think part of the Tourney is the mid slot problem Amarr have. (as long as they have 2 mids I'm ok with it) But I think the other bigger problem is the capacitor issue and the lack of a useful second bonus on a lot of their ships.

So please as your going through these changes give Amarr capacitor some love!

Thanks for your time and attention.

I would like to second the request that particular attention is given to Amarr ships to make sure that they perform well enough in solo/small gang pvp setting. As somebody that specialized in Amarr ships, I'm seriously disappointed in that regard.

There's literally only one T1 Amarr ship that's decent for soloing, the Harbinger. The T2 Amarr lineup offers more and better options but lacks laser ships.

Edit: what's holding these ships back is usually one of the following: low damage (need to be able to end fights quick enough), lack of mid slots (need to be able to fit critical modules such as web, warp disruptor, cap injector after the MWD), lack of cap. Heavily tanked ships also tend to not work due to speed reduction of armor tanking mods, that leaves only the speed + scorch kiting approach.


Also, in regards to the -10%/lvl laser cap usage bonus. The rational behind it is that lasers supposedly have a built-in damage bonus instead in exchange for high cap usage. When I look at laser ships that have no damage bonus, they all do awful damage though. The damage is so low that people prefer to fly them with autocannons or blasters instead, which means this laser cap usage bonus is failing to make lasers an attractice choice on these ships.

There's also something to be said about the contradiction that is a laser cap usage bonus vs a damage bonus: a damage bonus will end fights quicker, where with a cap usage bonus they last longer. Yet drawing out a fight is NOT a good tactic with laser ships, ships with capless weapons do this much better.

That is not to say that the cap useage bonus is strictly inferior to a damage bonus. There are situations where the cap usage bonus is indeed better (PvE, long fleet fights) but it's also questionable in many situations. The best example of where it's questionable is the Coercer.

Did anyone complain about the speed? :o
The speed is accepted (at least by me) however tracking, cap usage, fitting requirements are quite bad and the damage isn't as spectacular as people tries to paint it.

rockets do pitiful damage atm you can get more dps/range out of scorch especially when you factor in explosion velocity 10% is conservative really and light missiles are lacklustre for sure but this is the prob with different missile systems for same sized ships were as turrets are more compressed and simpler to balance