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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1501 - 2012-07-27 22:15:51 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


Bolded the part your blinds seem to hide.


You forgot to bold the part where I gave a definitive time frame.

Oh that's right, because there's nothing to bold.


Why, your armagheddon scenario is meant to happen in 20 years, when EvE might be shut down?
6 months is plenty to see if you predicted good or bad.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1502 - 2012-07-27 22:16:32 UTC
Suqq Madiq wrote:
To be fair, Ruby is a special snowflake. The filter between his brain and mouth (or fingers in this case) malfunctions often which forces him into constant shitposting and has suffered repeated forum warnings and bans because of it. Most of the pro-ganker crowd is happily posting on their main while the pro-miner crowd is unlikely to do the same in an effort to avoid the targeted ire of the vengeful ganker mobs.


I love it when people assume someones main was repeatedly warned then banned for reasons that they make up in their head.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1503 - 2012-07-27 22:17:02 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Do you gank and empty freighter?


Ganking a freighter effectively empties it, so yes.


Oh look, we got someone with fantasy inspirations.

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Pipa Porto
#1504 - 2012-07-27 22:17:51 UTC
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:


Learn math before you condescend to me good sir. Very trollish to say the least.

There is no amount of tank that you can fit to stop from being ganked, ever. Its not possible. Alpha > tank = successful gank. There is your explanation and it is iron clad.



The veldnought can be ganked if you bring enough catalysts. However there comes a point where people will not bother to gank something. Fortunatly for miners hulks can reach this level of tank.


You cannot accurately determine something that is subjective to other people.

Thanks for your input however.


Are you complaining that Hulks can possibly be ganked or that they can be profitably ganked?

Nobody's saying that any ship can't possibly be ganked. Hulks can be fit such that they cannot be profitably ganked. If someone wants to throw away money to hurt you, you might want to consider avoiding making such enemies.

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-RubyPorto
Suqq Madiq
#1505 - 2012-07-27 22:18:37 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dosnix
Pipa Porto wrote:
I have exactly 1 Red mark on Ruby. For a specific set of posts that were intended to call attention to an issue that would not otherwise be discussed. It worked, and we have better moderation because of it.

I have never had a Warning for forum posting.


The root of the problem has, at last, been discovered. *snip*

Glad we could clear that up.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1506 - 2012-07-27 22:18:43 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Do you gank and empty freighter?


Ganking a freighter effectively empties it, so yes.


Oh look, we got someone with fantasy inspirations.


You're the one that asked: Do you gank and empty freighter?
I'd hardly call answering your question honestly to be a fantasy. You must be getting desperate.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1507 - 2012-07-27 22:19:02 UTC
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:


Learn math before you condescend to me good sir. Very trollish to say the least.

There is no amount of tank that you can fit to stop from being ganked, ever. Its not possible. Alpha > tank = successful gank. There is your explanation and it is iron clad.



The veldnought can be ganked if you bring enough catalysts. However there comes a point where people will not bother to gank something. Fortunatly for miners hulks can reach this level of tank.


You cannot accurately determine something that is subjective to other people.

Thanks for your input however.


This isn't subjective. You can tank a hulk to the point where all but the most bitter will pass it by for easyer, more profitable kills. This is why my haulers and hulks have never died to a gank in 6 years of playing.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1508 - 2012-07-27 22:20:15 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:

I have never had a Warning for forum posting.


I have exactly 1 Red mark on Ruby. For a specific set of posts that were intended to call attention to an issue that would not otherwise be discussed. It worked, and we have better moderation because of it.



I spotted a coincidence.
What's the red mark about? 1 month? Perma?

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Suqq Madiq
#1509 - 2012-07-27 22:20:47 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Hulks can be fit such that they cannot be profitably ganked.


Irrelevant.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1510 - 2012-07-27 22:21:42 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Do you gank and empty freighter?


Ganking a freighter effectively empties it, so yes.


Oh look, we got someone with fantasy inspirations.


You're the one that asked: Do you gank and empty freighter?
I'd hardly call answering your question honestly to be a fantasy. You must be getting desperate.


So you REALLY go to the final straws and pretend everybody else are so stupid not to understand the meaning of my easy 4-5 lines of text?

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Suqq Madiq
#1511 - 2012-07-27 22:21:58 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
This isn't subjective. You can tank a hulk to the point where all but the most bitter will pass it by for easyer, more profitable kills. This is why my haulers and hulks have never died to a gank in 6 years of playing.


Profitability is irrelevant.
Pipa Porto
#1512 - 2012-07-27 22:24:03 UTC
Suqq Madiq wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Hulks can be fit such that they cannot be profitably ganked.


Irrelevant.



Why? How else should ganking be balanced? Survive-ability being based on cost has been shown to be a failed balancing idea (see: Supers and Titans).

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-RubyPorto
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1513 - 2012-07-27 22:24:18 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Suqq Madiq wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
This isn't subjective. You can tank a hulk to the point where all but the most bitter will pass it by for easyer, more profitable kills. This is why my haulers and hulks have never died to a gank in 6 years of playing.


Profitability is irrelevant.


You can say that all you want but its as wrong now as it was the first time you said it. Trying to use it to escape a point you cannot possibly counter only makes you look stupid.
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#1514 - 2012-07-27 22:24:50 UTC
Suqq Madiq wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
I have exactly 1 Red mark on Ruby. For a specific set of posts that were intended to call attention to an issue that would not otherwise be discussed. It worked, and we have better moderation because of it.

I have never had a Warning for forum posting.


The root of the problem has, at last, been discovered. You think your forum whining, childish behavior and shitposting had an effect on forum moderation. It didn't. Because of this you think forum whining, childish behavior and shitposting will have an effect on Mining ship re-balance. It won't.

Glad we could clear that up.

Look at you, pretending to be relevant, miscellaneous forum alt #4937.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#1515 - 2012-07-27 22:24:51 UTC
Suqq Madiq wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
I have exactly 1 Red mark on Ruby. For a specific set of posts that were intended to call attention to an issue that would not otherwise be discussed. It worked, and we have better moderation because of it.

I have never had a Warning for forum posting.


The root of the problem has, at last, been discovered. You think your forum whining, childish behavior and shitposting had an effect on forum moderation. It didn't. Because of this you think forum whining, childish behavior and shitposting will have an effect on Mining ship re-balance. It won't.

Glad we could clear that up.

You been here long?


Whining has always gotten things done.

In fact, since Incarna, whining has been the most effective way of changing the way things are in EVE. For better and (usually) for worse.


And Ruby's (along with others) comments on moderation did lead to a discourse on the ISD, which in turn has provided improved moderation of the forums. The correlation is there. Whether or not there is a direct causation does not matter.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1516 - 2012-07-27 22:26:05 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
So you REALLY go to the final straws and pretend everybody else are so stupid not to understand the meaning of my easy 4-5 lines of text?


Not at all.

Have a deep & thoughtful think about what you said in the quoted text.

Quote:
Do you gank and empty freighter?


The rest of what you said was well structured & added to the present argument.

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Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#1517 - 2012-07-27 22:28:11 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:


Learn math before you condescend to me good sir. Very trollish to say the least.

There is no amount of tank that you can fit to stop from being ganked, ever. Its not possible. Alpha > tank = successful gank. There is your explanation and it is iron clad.



The veldnought can be ganked if you bring enough catalysts. However there comes a point where people will not bother to gank something. Fortunatly for miners hulks can reach this level of tank.


You cannot accurately determine something that is subjective to other people.

Thanks for your input however.


Are you complaining that Hulks can possibly be ganked or that they can be profitably ganked?

Nobody's saying that any ship can't possibly be ganked. Hulks can be fit such that they cannot be profitably ganked. If someone wants to throw away money to hurt you, you might want to consider avoiding making such enemies.


1. I am not complaining about anything other than the system is currently broken after several fixes over several years.
2. You are not reading, or at least not comprehending. I don't give a fat rats ass about the net profit/loss of the gank. The net profit of the person flying the ship does not have to come from the act of ganking. As long as the ganker is able to pay for the ships lost to concord they will be able to sustain ganking indefinitely.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1518 - 2012-07-27 22:30:42 UTC
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:

2. You are not reading, or at least not comprehending. I don't give a fat rats ass about the net profit/loss of the gank. The net profit of the person flying the ship does not have to come from the act of ganking. As long as the ganker is able to pay for the ships lost to concord they will be able to sustain ganking indefinitely.


And this can only be done by making a profit on said ganks.
Pipa Porto
#1519 - 2012-07-27 22:32:25 UTC
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Are you complaining that Hulks can possibly be ganked or that they can be profitably ganked?

Nobody's saying that any ship can't possibly be ganked. Hulks can be fit such that they cannot be profitably ganked. If someone wants to throw away money to hurt you, you might want to consider avoiding making such enemies.


1. I am not complaining about anything other than the system is currently broken after several fixes over several years.
2. You are not reading, or at least not comprehending. I don't give a fat rats ass about the net profit/loss of the gank. The net profit of the person flying the ship does not have to come from the act of ganking. As long as the ganker is able to pay for the ships lost to concord they will be able to sustain ganking indefinitely.


1. How, specifically, is it broken? Is it because Gankers can operate at a profit? Because the victim loses more than the ganker? Something in between?

2. Pay for it how? Subsidizing ganking through other activities? In that case, how is that different from saying that you want ganking eliminated, since as long as a ganker " is able to pay for the ships lost to concord they will be able to sustain ganking indefinitely"?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Suqq Madiq
#1520 - 2012-07-27 22:36:34 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Suqq Madiq wrote:
Profitability is irrelevant.


You can say that all you want but its as wrong now as it was the first time you said it. Trying to use it to escape a point you cannot possibly counter only makes you look stupid.


CCP Soundwave wrote:
Suicide ganking wasn't designed to be profitable, it's meant to be an option that let's you punish someone else at your expense. The money you paid for a ship to gank with compared to the money lost by your target was completely off and this change should bring that to a better spot. That said, the numbers can still be adjusted.


And,

CCP Soundwave wrote:
Yeah my point is thatI don't think they should be profitable to gank. I think it should be possible, but not necessarily profitable (profitable might be the wrong word, but more that the expenses should be higher for the attacker than the defender).


When you've been told by a CCP dev that you're wrong and you still belabor the point, regurgitating it over and over it makes both you and your argument sound stupid. Get it?