EVE General Discussion

No they cant.

Well you gank ships for their cargo or their mods.

If the ship has 2M worth of cargo and T1 mods it's your fault for picking it instead of the one with a deadspace small shield booster.

I'm perfectly content with 'losing less than the victim', to a point.

How much less (or even potential for actual profitability) should be as it is now: determined by the Exhumer's choice of fit.
CCP is largely taking those choices out of miner's hands - because they always take the risky choice, and cry when that risk goes badly for them.

A 'ganker must lose more than the victim' standard of balancing is utterly stupid.
Do people typically use 15 Tornados to pop random empty Freighters or Orcas? If not, why not?

"You have to put effort into it now."
Nonsense - people just aren't going to do it, and further more - you know it. The risk, therefore is removed, and miners are free to AFK.

Gankers will gank for a profit, and they'll gank for a laugh if they can inflict disproportionate damage on the target.
But requiring a group of 3 Tornados to grind up 300M ISK to simply attempt to kill a 180M ISK Mackinaw with a midslot tank?

Its just not going to happen unless someone has a personal score to settle.
(Heck, and even then - the victim can point and laugh at the gankers for wasting all that ISK....don't see much tear potential there...)

Do you gank and empty freighter?
Do you gank a transport with 2M worth of contents?
Do you gank an empty indy because it fits an experimental cloak?
Do you gank the T1 fitted Drake or the meta 4 fitted CNR?

If the reply is: "yes I do it for a profit" then you are hopeless.


Now, why should you gank an empty or T1 fit exhumer and feel entitled you must "do it for a profit" again?

Because at the moment you do make a profit if they dont fit a tank.

This is outright bullshit. 3 Tech 1 fit Catalysts can gank a Hulk now at a cost of under 10mil ISK. If a Hulk drops half it's mods and even a modest amount of Salvage those 3 Catalyst pilots have just doubled their ISK. And that's not counting the 10mil ISK/Exhumer bounty that Jihadageddon has added to the profitability. That amount of profit is imbalanced. Plain and simple.

A well fitted hulk will not die to 3 catalysts and does require the firepower of 3-4 tornado to kill it.

I think that's the problem. You wouldn't gank a bare tengu because it the salvage wouldn't pay for it. Why should a hulk give 30mil in intact armor plates if it only costs 3mil to kill it? If the hulk is blinged out with 500mil officers strips or whatever, then it should be a valid target, the same as a bling tengu... Otherwise its disproportional to the rest of the game.

Only if you don't bother to tank the Hulk.

because you can fit a shield tank. no you don't get bonuses for it; but that's beyond the point. pretty sure with the introduction of the drone damage mods a fair few gal ships went for shield tanks in order to make the most of their drone bonuses?

again with a combat ship you can choose which slots to put the tank in and what you want to give up; in an exhumer you can't pick which you give up. an exhumer doesn't have the cpu to fill the mid slots with shield tank and also fit mlus. conversely if you fit hull or armour tank in the lows then you just have mid slots hanging around as an exhumer doesn't have utility mods. [maybe survey scanner but you know what i mean] you either fill it with tank, or you put yield mods on. trying to fit shield mods and dropping 1 of the two mlus is probably the best compromise but you've effectively just lost yield for half a tank that means you're still going to get ganked so... why fit the tank to start with unless you're going to fit the whole one?